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I was at my local WM this morning and saw the new MC oil for Powerstrokes meeting the new WSS-M2C171-F1 specification sitting on the shelf. Based upon what I see on the bottle "Contains More Than 1000PPM Phosphorus For Better Wear Protection", it makes me wonder if any xW-40 HDEO with >1000PPM Phosphorus meets their specification; i.e. is that all that is required. I realize that is a broad statement, but...



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I was at my local WM this morning and saw the new MC oil for Powerstrokes meeting the new WSS-M2C171-F1 specification sitting on the shelf. Based upon what I see on the bottle "Contains More Than 1000PPM Phosphorus For Better Wear Protection", it makes me wonder if any xW-40 HDEO with >1000PPM Phosphorus meets their specification; i.e. is that all that is required. I realize that is a broad statement, but...

Here is the list of currently approved oils: https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...SSM2C171F1.pdf

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Too bad they don't have 5W40 yet.
Anyone towing heavy should be using 5W40

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I used to run Mobil-1 5w40, but now that's ck4 too. so, I'm currently running Delo 400 XL 5w40 full syn. bought 10 gallons of the CJ4. Had to go to a couple of walmarts to get that much, and is getting harder to find. Had I know the Valvoline 5w40 syn was on the approved list, I would have hit up my local napa for it.

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Here is the list of currently approved oils: https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubrican...SSM2C171F1.pdf
Me thinks you would have better luck finding unicorn tears than some (most) of the oils on that list.
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Me thinks you would have better luck finding unicorn tears than some (most) of the oils on that list.
Unicorn Tears switched over to the new CK-4 formula back in November.
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Unicorn Tears switched over to the new CK-4 formula back in November.


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Me thinks you would have better luck finding unicorn tears than some (most) of the oils on that list.
LOL

Warren Oil?? who the heck is that?
Hardly any of the big suppliers listed.

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A large amount of oil you buy off the shelf is packaged by Warren Oil Co. They blend oil to spec for many of the brand name oil companies as well as private branding for car manufacturers' parts divisions. Oil is more or less generic base stock with the proportion of additives the customer (oil company, car maker, parts seller, big box store, etc.) specifies be added beyond the required to meet the API or ACEA.

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A large amount of oil you buy off the shelf is packaged by Warren Oil Co. They blend oil to spec for many of the brand name oil companies as well as private branding for car manufacturers' parts divisions. Oil is more or less generic base stock with the proportion of additives the customer (oil company, car maker, parts seller, big box store, etc.) specifies be added beyond the required to meet the API or ACEA.
Generic? So does Warren blend oil for Ford/Motorcraft????

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I don't know who is packaging oil for Ford today. Contracts for things like that are subject to change and it may not be the same company in all parts of the US.

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Generic? So does Warren blend oil for Ford/Motorcraft????
No; historically Conoco Phillips makes Motorcraft oil and as far as I know they still do. Warren is an independent blender who makes their own oils and you can find it under the Lubrigold brand (Petroleum Quality Institute of America), but they also make SuperTech for Wal-Mart as well as other independent labels. By all counts, Warren is considered to be good oil.


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I don't like additives & believe most of them are snake oil, but I wonder if there is one that would take care of this problem & allow me to use the T-6 that's already in the crankcase. If not should I drain this oil or is this more of a long term wear issue?

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I don't like additives & believe most of them are snake oil, but I wonder if there is one that would take care of this problem & allow me to use the T-6 that's already in the crankcase. If not should I drain this oil or is this more of a long term wear issue?
Add me to the snake oil camp and in this case, you would have to know at least a couple of things:

1. How many PPM of phosphorus is in the oil in its virgin state.
2. Is phosphorus the only thing that needs to be increased to prevent the wear over which Ford is hand wringing.

With that said, Shell has posted a few articles about their CK-4 oil and the Ford conundrum and I would not be concerned over a one time use of it. Ford stated the wear problem was a long term issue so a one-time use of CK-4 oil should not be earth stopping. I would run my normal OCI and then switch back to CJ-4 until the majors produce oil that meets the new Ford WSS-M2C171-F1 specification.


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Agree...Shell Rotella T6 is an excellent oil even in the CK-4 formula.

Its difficult to measure an oil's lubrication ability based only on its Phosphorous content since the new CK-4 oils have limited P percentage at the same time they have increased other anti-wear additives. Atleast some of these anti-wear technologies have existed for some time but were more expensive than ZDDP.

I still prefer CJ-4 and will stock up on it whenever I find it...such as DELO 5W-40 LE from Wal-Mart.
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