Another front spring question?

[Giddy-up-go]

With the camper package can you get the MAX front gawr package (682)? What are the restriictions? How bad is the ride? and any other pros / cons with this? also why CANT you get heavy service (674) or snow plow (86m) packages. I really don't want to pay for 2 plates and stickers I dont need just to get a steering stabilzer. the truck will be mostly daily driver and farm use=(light off-road, farm fields and ditch lines, pulling heavy equip. and lg boat, and halling produce. no rock climbing or other mt. goat stuff.
Here is what should be ordered Thursday:
02 F350xlt CC 172 srw, ls, 4X4 psd/6spd, keyless, 2-ault., tube steps, power tt mirrors, tinted glass w/ slider, cab lites, aic, hitch, camper pkg, & max springs. true blue over silver.
Is there anything that might be of concern, other than size, that I should know about with this setup?
Well the wait is on

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[SmokeyWren]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Giddy-up-go:
With the camper package can you get the MAX front gawr package (682)? <hr></blockquote>

If you're ordering a 4x4 with a diesel engine, then last year you could order both the camper pkg and the max front GAWR pkg on the same truck. But with a PSD CrewCab 4x4 with the camper pkg, you'll already be getting the max front GAWR on the truck, so all you will get extra with the max front GAWR pkg is the steering damper.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>also why CANT you get heavy service (674) or snow plow (86m) packages. <hr></blockquote>

The camper pkg includes the heavy service suspension pkg so you must choose one or the other.

The snowplow pkg is available only on a regular-cab PSD. It has the highest weight-rated front springs of any pkg, but it's not available with any other suspension pkg - and you can't get it with a CrewCab PSD.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>I really don't want to pay for 2 plates and stickers I dont need just to get a steering stabilzer. <hr></blockquote>

The stickers will peal off without a trace, and it sounds like you could use the skid plates occasionally. I suspect your best option would be the camper pkg and the off-road pkg. But you can save a few bucks by getting the max front GAWR pkg instead of the off-road pkg if you really don't want the skid plates.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Is there anything that might be of concern, other than size, that I should know about with this setup? <hr></blockquote>

You're probably going to need the Auxiliary Idle Control (AIC) kit (option code 96P). It's a lot cheaper to order it with your truck than to wait and get it later. It will cost you $178 from the factory, but over $335 if you get it later.


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[CWI]

Smokey,
What is/are the uses for the idle control kit?

[Giddy-up-go]

Smokey
Thanks for the spring help, it is much clearer now. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
Also yes I am getting the AIC,

CWI
there are many uses for aic, from warming the truck up, to adj. pto output speed. For right now, mine will be used mostly to watch battery voltage, we do a lot of are produce picking late into the night (very dark in fields) using lots of lights and from what I have been told this will AUTO. raise the idle when battery voltage drops? we'll see [img]graemlins/vulnerable.gif[/img]
If not, I will do like we do with the ford 8000 and use it as a throttle lock to keep idle up (3208 cat gets very bad fuel milage at high idle and not moveing [img]graemlins/phoney.gif[/img] )
hope that helps explain it some.

[SmokeyWren]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by CWI:
What is/are the uses for the idle control kit?<hr></blockquote>

Hi, CWI, and Welcome to Ford-Diesel.com.

Your PSD turbo-diesel has a low idle of 680 RPM if it's an automatic, or 650 RPM if it's a stick. That's great for cooling off the engine and turbo after a hot run. But it's too low an idle to let the truck just sit and idle while you let the AC or heater run, or while you're using the headlights or aftermarket electrical accessories such as winch or light bar or whatever.

You should never let your truck sit at low idle for more than 10 minutes in cold weather. Or even less time if your engine was not hot when you began the idle. After a few minutes, your engine cools down to a point that fuel will not burn completely, and thus your oil will be contaminated and you will increase carbon deposits on the cylinder head around the valve seat area and on top of the piston. In warmer weather, if your AC is on, your batteries will slowly discharge because at low idle the altenator does not put out enough to run the AC. And the AC will not put out much cold air.

The Auxilary Powertrain Control Module (APCM) is mentioned in the PowerStroke supplement to your Owner's Guide. That thing is also called the Idle Controller or the Auxilary Idle Control (AIC) Kit. But the book doesn't tell you why I have one.

I travel with Darling Wife's puppydog in the truck with us. When we stop to eat or to shop, we leave the puppydog in the truck - with the AC or heater running. You know how hot a parked truck gets in the Texas sun in August - not too good for the puppydog, even with the windows cracked. Illegal to leave the dog in the hot truck in some jurisdictions (including Midland, TX). Cruelty to animals, doncha know. The AC doesn't put out much cold air at low idle, plus the battery discharges.

So we use the APCM to set the idle up to about 1100 to 1200 RPM, leave the AC on, and the puppy in the truck. The truck can idle above 1,100 RPM all day (or until it runs out of fuel) without harm to the engine, turbo, or battery.

Also, if you need to stop at a rest stop and take a nap in the truck while you idle with the AC or heater on, you need the idle controller.

Or Darling Wife can go into the mall for "just a minute" while I sit in the truck with the AC on. Listening to the radio. Reading. Whatever, as long as I don't have to "shop"!

If you didn't order one with your new truck, you can still get it. List price from your dealer is $652. My dealer will sell them to Ford-Diesel.com members for $335 plus tax and shipping. Your dealer may sell you one for a lot less than $652. If not, send e-mail to Gene Louder at whitemoco@hotmail.com - or click on this: http://www.dreamwater.org/biz/idlekit/

Smokey Wren

P.S. http://www.intellidog.com/dieselmann/b_smoke9.htm contains another opinion.

[CWI]

Smokey, Gug
Thanks for the info guys. I had no idea what effects the prolonged idling did to the diesel. I used to work in mining where they let trucks idle for hours on end at low rpms. I will be sure to order one with my new rig.

Did I read this right? The "Max GVWR" front springs were mutually exclusive with Camper & Offroad package combination?

I seem to recall a fellow F-D.com member's truck at Cochise's place that had all 3 options on his truck, with the "max GVWR" front springs havinga sticker price of $70 in this situation. The Camper & Offroad packages already got him a steering damper, so I *assume* he was getting more spring? (Or just taken? [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

[SmokeyWren]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Jeep Therapy:
Did I read this right? The "Max GVWR" front springs were mutually exclusive with Camper & Offroad package combination?<hr></blockquote>

On a PSD CrewCab 4x4, the computer will invariably select the U-code front springs (4,800 pounds@ground). The camper pkg or the heavy service pkg will get you the next step up - the V-code front springs with 5,200 pounds.

The max front GAWR on a Superduty pickup is 5,200 pounds. So with either the camper or heavy service pkgs, you have the max front GAWR without ordering the max front GAWR pkg.

So if you also order the max front GAWR pkg, you will NOT get more than the V-code front ssprings. Since you'd get them anyway with the camper pkg, then adding the max front GAWR pkg will get you only the front steering damper added to the camper pkg. And with the heavy service suspension pkg, you'll already have both the front springs and the steering damper, so adding the max front GAWR pkg will get you nothing but a higher invoice price.

Sam ting with the camper pkg and the offroad pkg. You get the springs with the camper pkg and you get the steering damper with the off-road pkg, so the max front GAWR pkg gets you nothing but a higher price. At least that was true last year. [img]graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

[fordfreak]

I have a 2001 f-350 with the 682(max front gawr pkg). Ford wont allow it with the camper package and also the snow plow package. The snow plow package is because ford only allows (warranty) regular cab diesels and supercab diesels with the short beds (141.8 wheelbase page 72 of fords 2001 book).But for some reason they wont build a truck from factory with the snow plow package other then a regular cab?? My truck is set up for snow plowing, the is the reason for the 682 and I personally think the ride is great and I would think it would be in your best interest to get the 682 because it sits higher off the ground (farm use).

My .02$