6.7L Upgrades and Aftermarket - EngineUpgrading or adding OEM or aftermarket equipment to your 2011-Up Super Duty truck with 6.7L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.7L Power Stroke engine.
I have run Rotella 5/40 synthetic for many years and many miles on my PowerStrokes. There are many good synthetic oils out there. But I can buy 5/40 syn Rotella at any Walmart or Pep Boys in the country. A few weeks ago I stocked up at Walmart for 19 bucks per gallon. Run it in my old 140,000 mile Jeep Wrangler too. ---- Great oil for a cold winter climate like I'm in.
I have about 3500 miles on the 6.7 now and in a few weeks I will do the first oil change to 5/40 Rotella syn. Then go to Ford for my free DEF and 10B17 flash update.
Without knowing your exact driving habits, climate, OCI's, etc., the suggestions you are asking for are complete conjecture on a very subjective topic deeply rooted in brand loyalties.
One brand that is peddled quite aggressively is Amsoil. -A very good oil in many ways, if the $$ per OCI is not important or if you are planning on running a bypass/secondary filtration with OCI's of 50,000+....in that case, quite justified. However, if you plan on sticking closer to the manufacturers recommended service schedule...we are back into the subjective conjecture.
With that said, I'm not sure at what point in time we were all convinced that a 40-weight oil was absolutely necessary for operation of diesel engines. Look at your owners manual...what oil is suggested for "normal" use? Do you fall into the severe duty maintenance schedule? How many days per year are the temps sub-zero in your area? Answers to these questions will give you a good starting point.
The 6.7L is not plagued by the HEUI issues from earlier models and does not necessitate the year round use of the thinner API Group IV synthetics...a good API Group III or dino will work just fine, just make sure you stick with the CJ-4 stuff.
Finally...
I use the Plus 50 label from John Deere in 10W-30 year round - religiously. The UOA's are outstanding. Not looking forward to the day my barrel is empty though...I don't think they make this specific recipe anymore. Just cracked the last one in October.
A few co-workers and family members use the 15-40 and 5-40 flavors with zero complaints and great looking UOA's.
Without knowing your exact driving habits, climate, OCI's, etc., the suggestions you are asking for are complete conjecture on a very subjective topic deeply rooted in brand loyalties.
One brand that is peddled quite aggressively is Amsoil. -A very good oil in many ways, if the $$ per OCI is not important or if you are planning on running a bypass/secondary filtration with OCI's of 50,000+....in that case, quite justified. However, if you plan on sticking closer to the manufacturers recommended service schedule...we are back into the subjective conjecture.
With that said, I'm not sure at what point in time we were all convinced that a 40-weight oil was absolutely necessary for operation of diesel engines. Look at your owners manual...what oil is suggested for "normal" use? Do you fall into the severe duty maintenance schedule? How many days per year are the temps sub-zero in your area? Answers to these questions will give you a good starting point.
The 6.7L is not plagued by the HEUI issues from earlier models and does not necessitate the year round use of the thinner API Group IV synthetics...a good API Group III or dino will work just fine, just make sure you stick with the CJ-4 stuff.
Finally...
I use the Plus 50 label from John Deere in 10W-30 year round - religiously. The UOA's are outstanding. Not looking forward to the day my barrel is empty though...I don't think they make this specific recipe anymore. Just cracked the last one in October.
A few co-workers and family members use the 15-40 and 5-40 flavors with zero complaints and great looking UOA's.
do you have any UOA to post up to compare?
I am running an experiment, I built a 7.3IDIT all new and 5W30 Diesel Oil from the start, so far one UOA at 912 miles http://www.ranchopower.com/wp-conten...97442-Sev1.pdf
I will leave this oil in the crankcase for the life of the engine, I have dual filter setup with a bypass filter.
SO I wont be buying oil in any volume for my truck anymore and post up the results as I go along.
I hope that does not offend anyone!
Javier
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1988 F250 dually 7.3 IDI Banks Sidewinder C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear
Amsoil 5w30HDD with full flow / bypass filters,
Evans coolant and Amsoil conical air filter.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
Not to knock it, but it should be noted though that Amsoil 5W-40 is NOT API certified. Below is a list of API certified Amsoil oils, none of which carry the current CJ-4 spec...
You might want to do some independant research before you say the Amsoil 5w-40 or 15W-40 oils don't have API certification. Here's a link to the specs for the Amsoil 5W-40, CJ-4 oil : AMSOIL Premium API CJ-4 Synthetic 5W-40 Diesel Oil (DEO)
It clearly states that they are API certified oils. You won't find a better oil (synthetic or non-synthetic) to use in your new power stroke engine.
Yes, it's a little more expensive but when you can drive 50,000 miles or more between oil changes (Ford recommends a 10,000 mile max change interval) you can go 5 times further between oil changes which saves you a ton of money. 4 gallons of 5W-40 oil is $141.80 + shipping, 15W-40 costs $139.60 + shipping, and you can still use the motorcraft filters if you want to, just do oil analysis at 10,000 mile intervals, it will tell you if you need to change your oil or if it is good for continued use. Analysis kits are $31.25 + shipping and include postage.
Please note: the prices I have quoted here are the retail pricing, if you want to save even more money you might consider becoming a preferred customer ($20 per year) and that will save you over $30 per oil change and lowers the analysis kit pricing by over $5 a kit.
If you're interested in learning more about Amsoil let me know and I'll be happy to converse in more detail. Home Page
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2011 F250 SD Crew Cab, 4x2, 6.7L, 3:31 gears, Dark Blue Pearl, Lariat Ultimate package, bed liner, tailgate step, rain guards, bug shield, HID 6K Hi-Lo headlights.
do you have any UOA to post up to compare?
I am running an experiment, I built a 7.3IDIT all new and 5W30 Diesel Oil from the start, so far one UOA at 912 miles http://www.ranchopower.com/wp-conten...97442-Sev1.pdf
I will leave this oil in the crankcase for the life of the engine, I have dual filter setup with a bypass filter.
SO I wont be buying oil in any volume for my truck anymore and post up the results as I go along.
I hope that does not offend anyone!
Javier
You are living up to your nickname... IDI ABUSE... Please keep us posted, would be nice to see where the oil really breaks down - and when the motor grenades.
You might want to do some independant research before you say the Amsoil 5w-40 or 15W-40 oils don't have API certification. Here's a link to the specs for the Amsoil 5W-40, CJ-4 oil : AMSOIL Premium API CJ-4 Synthetic 5W-40 Diesel Oil (DEO)
You can write the words "API CJ-4" on the bottle and make all the claims you want that it meets or exceeds requirements, but with out the actual certification per API and the API Service Symbol that is so conveniently missing from the bottle it means very little...
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You are living up to your nickname... IDI ABUSE. Please keep us posted, would be nice to see where the oil really breaks down - and when the motor grenades.
You would not believe the results. Why would I use the oil you use? It breaks down. That is why you use it.
Dont assume the oil I use is like the dead plants and animals you use.
I have DATA on the oil I am using, you have nothing but
I love it when People who know nothing, add nothing but some misery speculation on a product they never had in thier hands. Just infantile!
Hey why dont you post up your DATA on your abused IDI? you probably dont even wrench on it yourself, most likely!
Hey JASONMT !
SHOW US THE LIST OF OILS THAT VOID MANUFACTURES WARRANTIES!
BETTER YET SHOW US THE LIST OF API CERTIFIED OILS THAT FAILED CERTIFICATION!
LETS TALK ABOUT THAT! Instead of some scare tactics
ALL BS AND NO DATA FROM THE AMSOIL HATERS AS USUAL
Quote:
The AMSOIL Offshore Racing Team also saw firsthand the ability of AMSOIL lubricants to deliver excellent engine protection. The team’s Skater 368 boat, owned by Bob Teague (throttleman) and Paul Whittier (driver), runs a pair of Mercury 525 EFI V-8 engines, and has propelled the team to many national and world championship titles in several different categories of racing. In 2009, the #77 Skater 368 logged over 3,000 miles of racing and testing. Since they were new, the Mercury 525s have run nothing but AMSOIL Dominator 15W-50 Synthetic Racing Oil, the exact same oil available to all AMSOIL customers. As part of its preparation for the 2010 racing season, the team returned the engines to Mercury Racing to be refreshed, certified and re-sealed for competition. Mercury Racing technicians tore down the engines and reported their findings. “They had never seen a pair of racing engines in such good condition after a full season of racing,” said Cherilyn Teague of Team AMSOIL. “It was reported that wear was minimal to non-existent and that the engines were extremely clean internally.”
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1988 F250 dually 7.3 IDI Banks Sidewinder C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear
Amsoil 5w30HDD with full flow / bypass filters,
Evans coolant and Amsoil conical air filter.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
Without knowing your exact driving habits, climate, OCI's, etc., the suggestions you are asking for are complete conjecture on a very subjective topic deeply rooted in brand loyalties.
One brand that is peddled quite aggressively is Amsoil. -A very good oil in many ways, if the $$ per OCI is not important or if you are planning on running a bypass/secondary filtration with OCI's of 50,000+....in that case, quite justified. However, if you plan on sticking closer to the manufacturers recommended service schedule...we are back into the subjective conjecture.
With that said, I'm not sure at what point in time we were all convinced that a 40-weight oil was absolutely necessary for operation of diesel engines. Look at your owners manual...what oil is suggested for "normal" use? Do you fall into the severe duty maintenance schedule? How many days per year are the temps sub-zero in your area? Answers to these questions will give you a good starting point.
The 6.7L is not plagued by the HEUI issues from earlier models and does not necessitate the year round use of the thinner API Group IV synthetics...a good API Group III or dino will work just fine, just make sure you stick with the CJ-4 stuff.
Finally...
I use the Plus 50 label from John Deere in 10W-30 year round - religiously. The UOA's are outstanding. Not looking forward to the day my barrel is empty though...I don't think they make this specific recipe anymore. Just cracked the last one in October.
A few co-workers and family members use the 15-40 and 5-40 flavors with zero complaints and great looking UOA's.
ANY UOA DATA TO BACK YOURSELF UP?
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1988 F250 dually 7.3 IDI Banks Sidewinder C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear
Amsoil 5w30HDD with full flow / bypass filters,
Evans coolant and Amsoil conical air filter.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
It's a fact of life that behavior is strongly influenced by what people believe, whether true or not. Numerous examples from history bear this out. For example, sailors were once fearful of sailing outside the sight of land less they would fall off the edge of the world. In the early 19th century, the train was considered dangerous because it was believed that if you traveled faster than 25 miles per hour, you would be traveling too fast to breathe. At a later date, the New York Times warned that electric light may cause blindness. Microwave ovens, automobiles and airplanes have had equally vociferous opponents
Since their inception, manufacturers of synthetic motor oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price. As was the case with microwave ovens or electric lights, a highly technological improvement must often overcome a fair amount of public skepticism and consumer inertia before it is embraced by the general population.
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1988 F250 dually 7.3 IDI Banks Sidewinder C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear
Amsoil 5w30HDD with full flow / bypass filters,
Evans coolant and Amsoil conical air filter.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
You can write the words "API CJ-4" on the bottle and make all the claims you want that it meets or exceeds requirements, but with out the actual certification per API and the API Service Symbol that is so conveniently missing from the bottle it means very little...
Pretty hard to qualify a non petroleum product as petroleum.
API requiers the use of petroleum base stocks that meet specific MINIMUM standards, why are they always upgrading
CJ-4 is a MINIMUM requierment for diesel specific oil.
If a synthetic lubricant is made to meet the CJ-4 spec
It will always be superior to API STANDARDS in the REAL WORLD
OR YOU WOULD NOT BE SELLING IT!
WE USED TO HAVE ROTELLA now they changed and it is 3X better ROTELLA TRIPLE!
Still meeting the minimum API requierment.
Just looking at the MSDS between lubricants tells you the facts, except most people here cannot read or comprehend let alone do very simple math!
Javier
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1988 F250 dually 7.3 IDI Banks Sidewinder C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear
Amsoil 5w30HDD with full flow / bypass filters,
Evans coolant and Amsoil conical air filter.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
1. I wrench on my own stuff and have built motors from the ground up... I don't do as much as I used because I can now afford to buy new stuff with warranties.
2. I do believe in hard data and I have not knocked Amsoil (or any other brands for that matter)
3. I only concerned that you are planning on NEVER, EVER changing the oil.
4. I believe the lubricating properties of an oil last a long, long time. Most of us throw out good oil. However, even though you are double filtering the oil, I am concerned about how dirty and contaminated the oil will get over time. Do the filters remove diesel fuel from the oil?
5. I believe I stated I was interested in your results. ALL motors at one point WILL fail. Whether it is at 1 mile/hour of operation or 1 billion miles/hours. Reasons are varied for failures. (GP tip broke off and killed a 2011 6.7 recently for example) Where yours fails, remains to be seen. Personally, I hope you get a 1 billion miles and the motor fails for some other reason with the AMSOIL oil still being good.
Yeh it doesn't matter how many filters or how many certifications or wnat color your striped royal pink red silk lined oil has--- fuel dilution and blow- by in a diesel engine, says life-time oil interval is not cool. Read "diesel power" mag Dec '10 to see how the guy with the million+ mile Cummins did it. Religious fluid maintenance and no tune-racer abuse.
Some of you guys are really drinking the Kool-Aid; and then there are the claims about a MSDS proving something?
And why is it that majority of the Kool-Aid drinkers are trying to sell something?
People who drink KOOL AID usually die withing 48 hrs after driking.
I have been experiencing for myself and others the benefits of lubricants that extend the life of any fuel powered engine, Transmissions and rear differentials, for the past 12 years.
I have not died yet drinking the so called KOOL-AID I do notice though I pay alot less year after year on fuel and oil and I pollute less emissions and less waste oil and filters.
I help out my local community and make people glad they met me
Jim Jones mislead many people and instead of revealing the truth to his followers hed gave them KOOL AID and silenced everyone!
You should use another term cause that term fits nothing here!
Javier
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1988 F250 dually 7.3 IDI Banks Sidewinder C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear
Amsoil 5w30HDD with full flow / bypass filters,
Evans coolant and Amsoil conical air filter.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
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