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Gooseneck/5th Wheel Prep - 2 holes in center

Hey all, still new to gooseneck and 5th wheel setups, so trying to get my bearings.

Just bought a 2014 with a hitch prep already in. I believe its stock Ford since I don't see any B&W or Reese indicators on it.

Anyway, maybe ya'll can clarify for me. From what I've found online, it seems that the 4 points around the center are for chain tie downs if you are running a gooseneck (is this right?). The center is obviously for the gooseneck ball but there are 2 holes at the bottom of the center post. Does the gooseneck ball have to bolt into these holes? I'm trying to determine what holds the gooseneck ball in the center post hole.

The second part of my question is for the 5th wheel. When I finally install the 5th wheel hitch, this would bolt to the 4 post holes surrounding the center gooseneck hole right?

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Thee four outer holes are used with a 5th Wheel Hitch. The goose neck uses the large center hole for the ball and two of the outer holes (assume the two closest to the tailgate) for the safety chain pucks.

Not aware of any hitch that uses all 5 holes at one time.

Appears the previous owner never installed or removed the rings around the 5 pucks and the plugs that fit into the pucks.
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Thee four outer holes are used with a 5th Wheel Hitch. The goose neck uses the large center hole for the ball and two of the outer holes (assume the two closest to the tailgate) for the safety chain pucks.

Not aware of any hitch that uses all 5 holes at one time.

Appears the previous owner never installed or removed the rings around the 5 pucks and the plugs that fit into the pucks.
Thanks Larry.

So what about the 2 holes at the bottom of the center gooseneck point? Does the gooseneck ball come with two studs that need to be bolted through those holes? I tried to get a picture of the holes but it was too shady. Posted pic below of what it looks like on another truck.

I know these are rookie questions but bear with me! So if I had a ball like the one pictured below, how in the heck does it remain in the center sleeve? I didn't see a latch rod or anything in the wheel well. That's why I was thinking that maybe if there were studs hanging out the bottom, it would bolt up.

If I'm way off here, please correct me... a little confused...

Thx.
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I was told that the two holes are simply drainage holes, nothing sticks in them. As for the ball itself, there are two (I believe) steel ball bearings located on the lower sleeve (you can see one of them in your picture). I'm not at home so I'm going from memory (I have never used my setup as I have a 5th wheel) but as I recall there is a lever on the top of the ball. You lift it up and the small rod internal to the assembly moves up enough that the steel bearings can go in and the ball can be installed. When you have the ball down in the hole, close the lever and the ball is locked in. Pressure on the ball from the gooseneck drop-down portion maintains pressure on the lever so it can not come loose (or should not come loose - hence the two safety chains that go into the pucks.

If you look closely at the picture of the center hole, at the top inside edge you can see the channel that the steel bearings seat in when installed.

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I was told that the two holes are simply drainage holes, nothing sticks in them. As for the ball itself, there are two (I believe) steel ball bearings located on the lower sleeve (you can see one of them in your picture). I'm not at home so I'm going from memory (I have never used my setup as I have a 5th wheel) but as I recall there is a lever on the top of the ball. You lift it up and the small rod internal to the assembly moves up enough that the steel bearings can go in and the ball can be installed. When you have the ball down in the hole, close the lever and the ball is locked in. Pressure on the ball from the gooseneck drop-down portion maintains pressure on the lever so it can not come loose (or should not come loose - hence the two safety chains that go into the pucks.

If you look closely at the picture of the center hole, at the top inside edge you can see the channel that the steel bearings seat in when installed.

Hope this makes sense and helps.
Thanks skypilot! Yes that does make sense and now I feel a little silly. So basically I can just choose the gooseneck ball that I want provided it's the same diameter and I'm good. I did see the ball bearing that you were talking about.

Just want to say I'm glad to have found this site. So much good info in here.

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Ford uses a pretty neat set up for the in bed hitch and I have one on my truck.

The 5th wheel ball is different than what I was used to in that it had a release on the top of it that allowed the 2 ball bearings on the side to lock and unlock. All you have to do is unlock the release and drop the ball in and lock it in.

The 4 keys run north and south and you drop either the 2 chain adapters in and turn them 90 degrees to lock them in.

Also if you want a 5th wheel hitch you can get one that is built to drop into the 4 keys and turn the locks to secure it.

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Ford uses a pretty neat set up for the in bed hitch and I have one on my truck.

The 5th wheel ball is different than what I was used to in that it had a release on the top of it that allowed the 2 ball bearings on the side to lock and unlock. All you have to do is unlock the release and drop the ball in and lock it in.

The 4 keys run north and south and you drop either the 2 chain adapters in and turn them 90 degrees to lock them in.

Also if you want a 5th wheel hitch you can get one that is built to drop into the 4 keys and turn the locks to secure it.
Very cool. Thanks so much. I'm guessing the diameter of the Gooseneck ball is standard eh? Meaning regardless of what kind of prep kit you have, any gooseneck ball would fit? I'm referencing the shaft that goes down into the center hole.

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The kit shown is specific to Ford and Reese Elite in bed hitch systems. As far as working with another hitch prep besides Ford or Reese, I would be a bit leery of attempting to use it. If buying, I would make sure the ball description stated what hitch it works with and it was the same hitch as you have installed.

Mixing and matching components from different manufacturers can be very hazardous to your health and others also.

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The kit shown is specific to Ford and Reese Elite in bed hitch systems. As far as working with another hitch prep besides Ford or Reese, I would be a bit leery of attempting to use it. If buying, I would make sure the ball description stated what hitch it works with and it was the same hitch as you have installed.

Mixing and matching components from different manufacturers can be very hazardous to your health and others also.
10-4 on that. I would definitely be on the phone with the distributor before ordering to be sure it matched up with my set up.
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Ford uses a pretty neat set up for the in bed hitch and I have one on my truck.

The 5th wheel ball is different than what I was used to in that it had a release on the top of it that allowed the 2 ball bearings on the side to lock and unlock. All you have to do is unlock the release and drop the ball in and lock it in.

The 4 keys run north and south and you drop either the 2 chain adapters in and turn them 90 degrees to lock them in.

Also if you want a 5th wheel hitch you can get one that is built to drop into the 4 keys and turn the locks to secure it.

Definitely looking into the B&W Companion. That's the one that drops into the center gooseneck sleeve I believe... right? Researching this one and on the top end the TrailerSaver air hitch but that's a subject for a diff post.

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Definitely looking into the B&W Companion. That's the one that drops into the center gooseneck sleeve I believe... right? Researching this one and on the top end the TrailerSaver air hitch but that's a subject for a diff post.

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The Companion your talking about works with the B&W Turnover ball hitch. You do not have that hitch!

You have the Ford hitch and you will need the Companion that utilizes the Puck system. Here's a link to the B&W page.


Companion OEM - 5th Wheel Hitch - Fits Ford Puck System | Puck Mounted Attachment | THE B&W ADVANTAGE
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The Companion your talking about works with the B&W Turnover ball hitch. You do not have that hitch!

You have the Ford hitch and you will need the Companion that utilizes the Puck system. Here's a link to the B&W page.


Companion OEM - 5th Wheel Hitch - Fits Ford Puck System | Puck Mounted Attachment | THE B&W ADVANTAGE
Thx DKR, goes to show that I've got a lot to learn. Good thing I have time before I make any moves. Thanks for the tip!

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