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Old 09-10-2010, 11:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Block Heater

I am in the process of having the block heater installed on my truck. Dealer indicates the heater itself was not installed on the engine/truck so I have to pay for the heater, cord, and installation.

Does anyone know if there is a FORD document that indicates the block heater (not the cable) is standard on the engine/truck like it was in the past?

I am looking at $330 to have the element and cord installed. Ouch!

I live in Oklahoma and travel to the northern states so I need the heater. Just wasn't on the truck I purchased. Guess I should have ordered the truck instead of buying off the lot.

Thanks for any assistance you can provide.

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This sounds odd to me.

I was told by a reliable source that the element was in the block itself and that the only thing that would be need to be added if I didn't order the 'block heater' would be the chord.

Besides, if one does choose to order the block heater its only something like 50 or 60 dollars.
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Old 09-10-2010, 02:46 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I was told the same thing by someone else but it may not be true. I need to find an actual reference from Ford that clearly states the engine block should have the heating element installed when it was built. That would save me the extra cost of paying for the element. That's the way my 2007 6.0L was built.

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Here it is right from the Ford 6.7 diesel systems overview manual. I don't know the actual name of the manual, but a link to it was on one of the sites.

Engine Block Heater
The engine block heater is located on
the right side of the engine block. The
block heater uses 110V AC to heat
the engine coolant in cold weather
climates. Use the engine block heater
must be used whenever ambient
temperatures are at or below -23C
(-9F).
The engine block heater is standard
on every engine. The power cord is an
optional accessory.
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Thanks, Boats... I was able to find the Coffee Table Book (Diesel Technician Society last book on the page) for the 6,7 motor and it is mentioned just as you stated. However, I don't know if this book is published by Ford or a third party.

Any other links to a specific Ford producted document would be greatly appreciated!

By the way, my dealer is top notch. Mod friendly and does fantastic work and service. I have ZERO complaints after dealing with them for over 6 years now!

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I don't think that you are gonna find the documentation for which you are looking.

It's a bit crazy that you would need it at all given the fact that we know the element is already in the block but I understand why you would want it.

I suggest that you just avoid the issue of confronting your dealer entirely. Go on ebay and pick up the chord and install it yourself. Done.
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The engine block heater is standard equipment in the following states: AK, CO, IA, ID, ME, MI, MN, MT, ND, NH, SD, VT, WI, & WY.

I may be mistaken but I thought the motors shipped with the heater core installed, you just bought the option which is basically the plug-in cord. It's a $75 option on the window sticker and it's option 41H. It would be nice to have clarification if the engine block heater option is both the heater core and the plug-in cord that is mounted just inside the grill.
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Why not just get under and have a little look see??
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Why not just get under and have a little look see??
It has been confirmed that the heating element is not installed in the block. What I am trying to determine if it was left out because that is what Ford decided or if it was a mistake.

Since I am near retirement age I have lost my desire to crawl under the truck and put my body into odd positions like I used to. Getting older also means getting wiser and paying for someone else to feel the pain.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind paying if thats what it takes... I am getting conflicting information so I am just trying to find the right answer.

I do appreciate all the help and suggestions...!

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It has been confirmed that the heating element is not installed in the block.
Confirmed by who? I suspect they made an error. The block heater element is installed on every PSD engine at the engine factory in Mexico. The truck assembly plant in Kentucky simply adds the cord if the truck is destined for a cold-weather state, or if the cord was ordered for that truck.

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Since I am near retirement age I have lost my desire to crawl under the truck and put my body into odd positions like I used to.
Nonsense. I retired in 1992, but I can still put the pickup on ramps and crawl under it and look at the so-called block heater. I pay my dealer's tech to do anything that requires contortions or grease under my fingernails, but looking at the block heater doesn't require anything contortionate.

That book in PDF format on the Diesel Tech's website is the official Ford publication. If you go to www.fleet.ford.com and look around, you can probably find it there. But you may need a fleet password to really get into that website. So the blurb on page 32 in the PDF reader or page 30 in the document is a Ford blurb. It says:
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Engine Block Heater
The engine block heater is located on the right side of the engine block. The block heater uses 110V AC to heat the engine coolant in cold weather climates. Use the engine block heater must be used whenever ambient temperatures are at or below -23C (-9F).


The engine block heater is standard on every engine. The power cord is an optional accessory.

Page 13 in the file or 11 in the document, at the bottom of the page, shows the location of the block heater element. Notice it's directly above that screw-on filter, on the passenger's side of the engine near the back of the engine. However, if yours doesn't have the cord installed, it probably has a rubber/plastic plug covering the prongs of the element, so you may need to look close to see it. And maybe remove the cover plug to confirm that it's there.

For those that don't know what PDF file we're discussing, click on the following link, then scroll down to the bottom right of the screen and click on the 2011 6.7L file.
Diesel Technician Society

It's a 20mb PDF file, so if you have a dial-up connection to the internet, it will take a while to download. But if you have a 2011 PSD, then you'll want to save that file to disk and then go over it at your leisure. One surprising thing I learned while looking for block heater info is on pg 25 of the file or 23 of the doc:
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Motorcraft Specialty Orange coolant mixed with distilled water is the only coolant to use in the 6.7L Power Stroke diesel engine.
Motorcraft Specialty Orange is DEXCOOL. So Ford changed to DEXCOOL for the 6.7, after using Zerex G-05 "gold" coolant for the 2002 thru 2010 PSDs with International engines.
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Thanks for the info, SmokeyWren. I have passed it on to my service rep at the dealership and will see what he has to say on Monday. He has my truck or I would go look myself. I am getting the flash update and the heater cable installed.

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FWIW I learned not to plug in the truck directly to the ford installed block heater cord. Up here I would have to make a connection 4 times daily and over time the cord fractures right at the end of the plug. THe ford block heater cord is horrendously expensive, so I hook a lighted winter flexible 12 foot extension to it and loop it around. Now when it breaks I replace the $10.00 extension cord.
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Any auto parts store sells the cord as well
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FWIW I learned not to plug in the truck directly to the ford installed block heater cord.
A more common fix is the Marinco Plug mod. Replace the male plug end of the block heater cord with a Marinco plug designed for charging the batteries on boats using "shore power", and mount the Marinco plug on the front of the truck. Here's an article that shows how to do it on older trucks, but I'm sure you can adapt it to work on a 2011:

Marinco Plug DIY article

BTW, that Marinco plug comes in either black or white, so you can chose the one that will best match your truck. If you do a search within TheDieselStop forums, searching on Marinco, you'll probably find threads within the last year or so with part numbers, sources and prices.
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I have received a partial copy of the History Vehicle Bill of Material (HVBoM) for my truck and it clearly states the Engine - Heater, DEBAA LESS IMMERSION HEATER on the report. To me, that seems to imply the element was not part of the engine build.

I have my dealer sending me a complete HVBoM report so I have it in my files. Pretty disappointing.

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