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6.7 diesel AT the supershow
They had a 6.7 in a F 450 at the Tampa rv super show at the fairground's,the hood was up but with all the pipe's and hose's you could not even see the valve cover's OR anyrthing else For that matter,no hand out's on the 6.7,they still were handing out the 6.4 stuff,i asked some offical looking older guy from
ford what the power output would be,..............NO comment at this time!!!!!!,i asked how they would keep the urea/water mix from freezing,he said they have a vacume pump that suck's the line's dry when you shut it down putting the mixture in a "HEATED TANK",how do the heat that tank i ask,12 volt or 125 volt plugged in,NO comment,i used to live up north, -30 below at time's,Hmmmm,wonder how they address the freezing issue,battery's run down over time and NOT every truck is parked close to an outlet.
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2002 F350 4 door Dually XLT lariat PSD Crew Cab 4R100 4.10 VDH4 Prepump, In-Tank, Crossover,Tymar air intake, Edge Evolution, Magellan 6000T GPS, White Night backup light's, DPPI Guages, Walker "Big Truck" Muffler, b&w turn over hitch, pulling a 2004 Sunnybrook 31bwks triple slide 5th wheel. , Total Gross 20900#.truck wt empty 7420# all at the scale, born 05/02/02. bought 06/18/02 & the wife's 2007 eddie bower expedtion 5.4,6 speed automatic ,power everything,redfire & tan.
6.7 diesel AT the supershow
They had a 6.7 in a F 450 at the Tampa rv super show at the fairground's,the hood was up but with all the pipe's and hose's you could not even see the valve cover's OR anyrthing else For that matter,no hand out's on the 6.7,they still were handing out the 6.4 stuff,i asked some offical looking older guy from
ford what the power output would be,..............NO comment at this time!!!!!!,i asked how they would keep the urea/water mix from freezing,he said they have a vacume pump that suck's the line's dry when you shut it down putting the mixture in a "HEATED TANK",how do the heat that tank i ask,12 volt or 125 volt plugged in,NO comment,i used to live up north, -30 below at time's,Hmmmm,wonder how they address the freezing issue,battery's run down over time and NOT every truck is parked close to an outlet.
I was hopeful that the 6.7 would be better tested and have more forethought put into it. Oh well, looks like here we go again. Anybody know if GM is offering a bounty for Ford owners to go Duramax?
At the Detroit auto show and spent hour and half with powertrain engineer. Had cut away of block transmission and exhaust. Absolutely unbelievable design. Very well thought out and the engineer had lots to say about the truck. 7.3 will be traded in asap!
At the small amount it uses it most likely don't need to be heated unless it actually running.
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2001 White Lariat 7.3 Auto CC LB 4X4 -- Mods -- K&N Drop in, DP Tuner, 6.0 IC mod, 4" Magnaflow Exhaust, BTS Tranny, 3 gauge A piller pod. Kennesaw Mountain Accessories Rear and Front “Wincher” Bumper, Warn 16.5Ti Winch, Suspension: Tuff Country 2" front and 3" rear, Toyo MTs 305s on 10s, 310,000 miles!!
05 White XL 6.0 Reg Cab 4X4 140,500 miles!! (That has never seen the inside of a Garage)
06 White 6.0 CC Lariat 4X4 Auto LB: Kennesaw Mountain Accessories Front “Wincher” Bumper, Warn 16.5Ti Winch, Fabtech 8" lift, 35 Toyo M/Ts 125,651 miles!!
---07 Shelby GT500--- Performance White Vert-- Mods-- JLT Intake, 2.6" upper & 10% IW Lower Pulleys, AFCO Duel Pass Heat Ext., American Racing Long Tube Headders, Full 3" Magnaflow Exhaust, Evolution Stage 4 Tune, BMR Carbon Fiber Drive Shaft, Steeda UCA & LCAs Currie 9" 1:3:75s True-Trac locker, Proglass Cold Air Hood, 36,500 miles---11.491 1/4 mile! 592RWHP
Ford engineer said testing for cold was done in Alaska and colorado. Not going to get any colder than Alaska. Saw the cummins there also, actually felt sorry for Dodge. It wad nestled between 2 siebrings and a pt cruiser. The instrument cluster in the 2011 is like nothing I have ever seen. Amazing stuff.
I was reading on the Cummins web site about their over the road engines and their current urea system. The tank is heated by battery power only when the engine is running. Basically it will thaw out after starting if it freezes. If you think about it, Nox which is what the urea system is there to lower is created under higher then average temps. So under normal load especially on a cold engine Nox can be controlled by the other strategies in place, like EGR and injection timing. The urea will come into play under heavier loads so it will have time to thaw if it freezes.
I am excited to see this new beast when it arrives at a local dealer.
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2006 2500 SLT Mineral Grey, 6 speed, 4x4, Thunder Road Package, MBRP Muffler + 6" dual Stacks, Fast Idle Enabled. Silencer Ring MIA, CFM+ intake horn, Smarty POD, SB Con OFe.
Traded:2004 F250CC FX4 XLT Long Bed Torque Shift, $5.00 AIC.
I was hopeful that the 6.7 would be better tested and have more forethought put into it. Oh well, looks like here we go again. Anybody know if GM is offering a bounty for Ford owners to go Duramax?
The 2011 Duramax will also have a Urea system. Dodge is the only truck that won't have Ureain 2011. Urea has been used in Europe for about 2 years. Most of the new large over road trucks also use Urea. Detroit has some good reading on there web site about Urea.
The 2011 Duramax will also have a Urea system. Dodge is the only truck that won't have Ureain 2011. Urea has been used in Europe for about 2 years. Most of the new large over road trucks also use Urea. Detroit has some good reading on there web site about Urea.
Yea we have several class 8 trucks. About the Duramax comment, I didn't say that about the urea injection. It was meant as more of a general comment about the answers the Ford engineer was giving the guy to his questions and the past 2 powerstroke engines Ford has put out.
All I am saying is that I have burnt on a 6.0 and I know a lot of people who have been burned on both 6.0s and 6.4s. I gave Ford my loyalty on the 6.0 and got no satisfaction. I buy my trucks to use not ride around on Saturday night and the 6.0 just would not take towing a large 5th wheel in the mid west. That and the way Ford has been doing people on the warranty issues here lately was the reason for the comment. I will wait and see what this new motor is and if it isn't all that it is supposed to be and more ...... well sooner or later I will have to get rid of these old 7.3s that I have rebuilt. I should be good for another 2 or 3 years before they have to be built again.
In short me and several others I know have had Fords and been loyal to them since the early 80s. Even when the 5.9 Dodge came out and got 20 to 25% better MPG than the 7.3s we stayed with Ford. We bought the 6.0 expecting the same quality and durability then a lot of people bought the 6.4 thinking the old Ford quality and durability would surely be back. Then in my opinion Ford stuck a knife in there back kicked them out in the cold with the way they have been doing them on warranty issues. I kinda wonder if the finical troubles at GM and Dodge didn't make them think they could get by with it. I don't know about everyone else, But me and a lot of my friends are not going to take Ford's word for it this time the last two times we took a bite of the sandwich without looking between the buns it was full of S*** and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from it.
Yea we have several class 8 trucks. About the Duramax comment, I didn't say that about the urea injection. It was meant as more of a general comment about the answers the Ford engineer was giving the guy to his questions and the past 2 powerstroke engines Ford has put out.
All I am saying is that I have burnt on a 6.0 and I know a lot of people who have been burned on both 6.0s and 6.4s. I gave Ford my loyalty on the 6.0 and got no satisfaction. I buy my trucks to use not ride around on Saturday night and the 6.0 just would not take towing a large 5th wheel in the mid west. That and the way Ford has been doing people on the warranty issues here lately was the reason for the comment. I will wait and see what this new motor is and if it isn't all that it is supposed to be and more ...... well sooner or later I will have to get rid of these old 7.3s that I have rebuilt. I should be good for another 2 or 3 years before they have to be built again.
In short me and several others I know have had Fords and been loyal to them since the early 80s. Even when the 5.9 Dodge came out and got 20 to 25% better MPG than the 7.3s we stayed with Ford. We bought the 6.0 expecting the same quality and durability then a lot of people bought the 6.4 thinking the old Ford quality and durability would surely be back. Then in my opinion Ford stuck a knife in there back kicked them out in the cold with the way they have been doing them on warranty issues. I kinda wonder if the finical troubles at GM and Dodge didn't make them think they could get by with it. I don't know about everyone else, But me and a lot of my friends are not going to take Ford's word for it this time the last two times we took a bite of the sandwich without looking between the buns it was full of S*** and I still have a bad taste in my mouth from it.
I agree. I sold my 01 with 60k miles and got an 05 as the 6.0 was claimed to be a better engine.I didn't use this site much back then. I and almost everyone feels the 7.3 is the best diesel Ford ever had. I got 18-22 mpg out of the 7.3 empty. I'm on my 3rd 6.0 truck and the best mileage is 18. The 6.0 was sold as better MPG and power. I hope Ford turns the power down and goes for MPG. The Dodge gets around 23 empty. I will say the 07 I have is the best 6.0 I have had and the interior is a little better than my 01. I wish I didn't sell the 01. I am selling all my vehicles to buy a new truck. When Ford puts out the MPG I will decide Ford or Dodge.
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2011 F450 K/R ALL Stock and staying that way
I agree. I sold my 01 with 60k miles and got an 05 as the 6.0 was claimed to be a better engine.I didn't use this site much back then. I and almost everyone feels the 7.3 is the best diesel Ford ever had. I got 18-22 mpg out of the 7.3 empty. I'm on my 3rd 6.0 truck and the best mileage is 18. The 6.0 was sold as better MPG and power. I hope Ford turns the power down and goes for MPG. The Dodge gets around 23 empty. I will say the 07 I have is the best 6.0 I have had and the interior is a little better than my 01. I wish I didn't sell the 01. I am selling all my vehicles to buy a new truck. When Ford puts out the MPG I will decide Ford or Dodge.
I am glad you are willing to run point. Let us know how it works out. I hope the motor is a good one my loyalty and money spent because of their failures only goes so far.
Spoke to ford engineer again today. He was extremely helpful. As for the urea cold comment, system is rated for minus 40 operation. If you opt for the block heater, it will also heat urea tank. For mileage, they are not releasing exact numbers but standard comment is that it will out perform every other diesel on the market. Guess will be high teens or low 20s reading between the line. The engine is absolutely amazing. Been designed to be completely serviced in the truck. I have about 10 pictures from the company display that I will post when I get home from detroit. I get people are burned from 6.0 and 6.4. This motor is up for 2011 motor of the year. It actually burns clean enough at idle to pass all emission standards without urea. That is simply there for load when you are dumping more fuel in obviously. It is so quiet that ford gave people keys to start one already running to show how you can't even hear it. The information cluster in cab is also amazing. I love my 7.3 but it looks like a dinosaur compared to the new one. Would flip over my keys and some $$ in 2 seconds and not look back.
i asked how they would keep the urea/water mix from freezing,he said they have a vacume pump that suck's the line's dry when you shut it down putting the mixture in a "HEATED TANK",how do the heat that tank i ask,12 volt or 125 volt plugged in,NO comment,i used to live up north, -30 below at time's,Hmmmm,wonder how they address the freezing issue,battery's run down over time and NOT every truck is parked close to an outlet.
The urea/water mix will have a freezing point of 12deg F. The heating element in the urea tank is a 12V heater that runs off of the glow plug module. From what I can gather, the urea will be allowed to freeze in the tank, and thawed by the heater when the engine is running. I don't think anything will prevent it from freezing while the truck is not being operated.
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I agree. I sold my 01 with 60k miles and got an 05 as the 6.0 was claimed to be a better engine.I didn't use this site much back then. I and almost everyone feels the 7.3 is the best diesel Ford ever had. I got 18-22 mpg out of the 7.3 empty. I'm on my 3rd 6.0 truck and the best mileage is 18. The 6.0 was sold as better MPG and power. I hope Ford turns the power down and goes for MPG. The Dodge gets around 23 empty. I will say the 07 I have is the best 6.0 I have had and the interior is a little better than my 01. I wish I didn't sell the 01. I am selling all my vehicles to buy a new truck. When Ford puts out the MPG I will decide Ford or Dodge.
Coming from two Cummins in the past 10 years, I can tell you that we never got 23 empty out of ours. The '99 2500 maybe got 20 at best and the '03 3500 dually 5sp got no higher than 17. That was before the BlueTec 6.7. From what I hear they get no better mpg than the 6.4 PSD can.
Our 6.4 F350 will get as high as 17 loaded on highway trips, and usually in the 15s unloaded around town.
6.7 will show "significant" improvement in mileage. Nobody know exactly because ford is not releasing official numbers until march. Very hush huh but they were very proud of it and said i would too.
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