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These same discussions were going on in the 70's when catalytic converters and EGR hit the gas engine crowd. The first several generations made smelly exhaust, killed fuel economy, zapped the power from the engine, and were unreliable. The cycle is repeating itself now with diesels. In a few generations the emissions controls will become effective with less impact on the vehicles performance and reliability. I for one choose not to partake until they get it better. Maybe this new 6.7 will be the first giant step forward toward that goal. I sincerely hope that it is! Until then I'll drive my dirty old school machine that gets respectable mileage and runs great.....
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2006 2500 SLT Mineral Grey, 6 speed, 4x4, Thunder Road Package, MBRP Muffler + 6" dual Stacks, Fast Idle Enabled. Silencer Ring MIA, CFM+ intake horn, Smarty POD, SB Con OFe.
Traded:2004 F250CC FX4 XLT Long Bed Torque Shift, $5.00 AIC.
I was disappointed with the 6.4L. Hopefully, the 6.7L PSD, will be a great performer. I have a couple friends whose F-450s with 6.4L where nothing but trouble. One friend had 2 F-550 western haulers before he went for the Dodge 5500 6.7L. And 3 F450s before he got a winner. Except for reliability and milage, the 6.4L was a good basis for an engine, I think it needs refining more then anything else/
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Evan-
2003 Ford F-350 Crew Cab L/B/Dually XLT FX4 7.3L/Auto- Gooseneck Hitch Fifth Wheel Rails, Firestone Air Bags/ Toolbox
These same discussions were going on in the 70's when catalytic converters and EGR hit the gas engine crowd. The first several generations made smelly exhaust, killed fuel economy, zapped the power from the engine, and were unreliable. The cycle is repeating itself now with diesels. In a few generations the emissions controls will become effective with less impact on the vehicles performance and reliability. I for one choose not to partake until they get it better. Maybe this new 6.7 will be the first giant step forward toward that goal. I sincerely hope that it is! Until then I'll drive my dirty old school machine that gets respectable mileage and runs great.....
I wasn't alive or even a thought in the 70s, but that is true as it comes.
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Evan-
2003 Ford F-350 Crew Cab L/B/Dually XLT FX4 7.3L/Auto- Gooseneck Hitch Fifth Wheel Rails, Firestone Air Bags/ Toolbox
"I think it is great. I wish I could make my 7.3 run half as clean as these new ones. Go to Mexico city and see how no emissions control affects the air quality."
I was in Guadalajara City as well as several other major Mexican cities this past fall. Spent more than a week there. It's not the trucks that are causing any of the pollution, is a simple lack of hygiene from the population. If you don't clean youself and your stuff, then everything stinks. The environment suffers as a result. But if the government won't provide decent water and electricity to be able to take care of the basic necessity of hygiene, then it's very tough as an individual to keep clean. Very strong caste system that will always suppress the lower classes. It's not the vehicles. Hell most of the people don't even drive.
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2000SC,4WD,4R100,3LotsaSlip73,265's, Leer XL160 for now
"I think it is great. I wish I could make my 7.3 run half as clean as these new ones. Go to Mexico city and see how no emissions control affects the air quality."
I was in Guadalajara City as well as several other major Mexican cities this past fall. Spent more than a week there. It's not the trucks that are causing any of the pollution, is a simple lack of hygiene from the population. If you don't clean youself and your stuff, then everything stinks. The environment suffers as a result. But if the government won't provide decent water and electricity to be able to take care of the basic necessity of hygiene, then it's very tough as an individual to keep clean. Very strong caste system that will always suppress the lower classes. It's not the vehicles. Hell most of the people don't even drive.
When people talk about how good the Cummins is, they're referring to the 5.9, not the 6.7. I've owned a 2005 2500HD 4x4 auto and a 2001 3500 dually 4x2 6-speed, neither of which I should have gotten rid of, especially the 2005. I bought the 2005 new and can tell you that I did get 23 MPG unloaded. When ULSD came out, the mileage dropped significantly, down to about 17 MPG; I never did get much better after that. My 2001 got 21 MPG unloaded, but the VP44 injection pump started going south on me and my mileage dropped to 14 MPG. FWIW, the 6.7 came out mid '07MY.
I thought that my F-350 would get better than 14 MPG, but I've only seen it hit 16.2 MPG once, unloaded and on the highway on flat ground. I'm lucky to get 12 MPG and, with the exception of the truck itself, the 6.0 is a huge disappointment. I've added the coolant filter to it and "fixed" the EGR and EGR cooler, so that I should never have to worry about puking again. The catalytic converter is getting "fixed" soon.
All diesels have/have had their problems. Whether it's the VP44 on the 24V 5.9 or the intake on the Duramax (LLY?), they've had their fixes...I think the 7.3 had injector issues at one point? The 6.0 can be fixed to be reliable, but it costs money. I'm not up on the 6.4, other than hearing about the radiator problems from customers I've talked to. Until the 6.7 "Scorpion" proves itself, I'll keep my 6.0. The mileage might suck, but at least I've gotten it to the point where it's not in the shop every other week.
For all the environmental "conscious" folks out there who eat granola and fart tofu, you're seriously deluding yourselves; driving a "green" vehicle will not clean everything up. If the Earth can survive giant meteor strikes and super volcanoes filling the sky with ash for months on end, it will survive us and clean itself up long after we're gone.
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2004 F-350 CC DRW LB FX4 4x4
Oxford White/Arizona Beige
King Ranch
Herrin Hauler bed
4.10 Trac-Lok
Reman'd 6.0L @43,956 miles
Reman'd Turbo @54,814 miles
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The way I see it we are using more resources, with more milage, as well. I don't see that as being good for the environment. I will keep my dirty burning, reliable, decent fuel milage achieving 7.3L until today's clean burning diesels prove themselves to be reliable, and fuel efficient.
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Evan-
2003 Ford F-350 Crew Cab L/B/Dually XLT FX4 7.3L/Auto- Gooseneck Hitch Fifth Wheel Rails, Firestone Air Bags/ Toolbox
Off topic for the last couple pages but in the realm of the original post......
I stopped by my local Ford dealer yesterday to talk with a few of the service guys I know there. I asked when they expected to get some new 6.7 trucks on the lot. The service writer gave me a date that was pretty far out, and I asked why as I had read here that they can be ordered now. He said, "Ford won't ship them until 2 diesel techs from here attend the training class, and the classes are all filled up for a while."
If that is true, I commend Ford for preparing the dealers to be successful with this new machine. Hopefully we won't see a bunch of well meaning but misguided diagnostics and repairs because the tech's will be up to speed.
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2006 2500 SLT Mineral Grey, 6 speed, 4x4, Thunder Road Package, MBRP Muffler + 6" dual Stacks, Fast Idle Enabled. Silencer Ring MIA, CFM+ intake horn, Smarty POD, SB Con OFe.
Traded:2004 F250CC FX4 XLT Long Bed Torque Shift, $5.00 AIC.
Off topic for the last couple pages but in the realm of the original post......
I stopped by my local Ford dealer yesterday to talk with a few of the service guys I know there. I asked when they expected to get some new 6.7 trucks on the lot. The service writer gave me a date that was pretty far out, and I asked why as I had read here that they can be ordered now. He said, "Ford won't ship them until 2 diesel techs from here attend the training class, and the classes are all filled up for a while."
If that is true, I commend Ford for preparing the dealers to be successful with this new machine. Hopefully we won't see a bunch of well meaning but misguided diagnostics and repairs because the tech's will be up to speed.
I'm not sure I buy this entirely. Yes, I am sure Ford wants the techs trained ASAP, but I can't believe they would hold a customer ordered completed truck at the factory for an reason other than major issues such as saftey. This is revenue after all....and wall street is watching.
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11 F350 SRW PSD CC 4X4 Long Bed Lariat Ult
2011 Forest River XLR Toy Hauler 39 Feet, 14K lbs.
06 PSD CC 4X4 Shorty Lariat Loaded (sold)
The 2011 Duramax will also have a Urea system. Dodge is the only truck that won't have Ureain 2011. Urea has been used in Europe for about 2 years. Most of the new large over road trucks also use Urea. Detroit has some good reading on there web site about Urea.
I have not done much research on the 6.7 "Scorpion" but I did read that the heads are made of aluminum. I have had two trucks(gas) in the past that had aluminum heads and they both crapped out at 175,00 miles. I dont expect the diesel to do much better. Aluminum and heat do not mix like oil and water . Im not going to take fords word on this truck many people did on the 6.0 and the 6.4 and got burnt. With that being said the people that are really promoting this truck makes me think that they are getting paid/kickback to do so. A few people have said that they are going to trade in their 7.3 for the 6.7 that will be a big mistake. 6.7 is not proven at all and neither is ford when it comes down to building their own diesel motor. Im going to keep my 7.3even if i buy another. truck the 7.3 is proven. for all the "green" people out there buy a bike or a horse and see how you like that.
Well i will say I've owned a 2003 dodge 2500 with 3.73 6spd and that turned 21mpg unloaded. It dropped a mpg when i put bigger tires.
I also owned a 2006 3500 drw and got 14.3mpg unloaded with 3.73's and 285 70 17's
The more hp we ask for always seems to bite us with less mpgs.
I've always liked the ford body and interior. I will make my purchase of either another dodge or this new ford upon my return from the sand box!! I hope it goes well for the all new stroker.
gee whiz some of you guys run off on these posts and don't know what you are talking
about.i an 03 king ranch and 08 king ranch till two months ago i got a 2011 king ranch.to say the mileage isn.t better you don't know what you are talking about.if you haven't
even driven one how can you be an expert.the 2011 got 20.3 on its first 1000 mile trip.i don't know about the speed limiter but it went to 98 miles per hour so quick i was amazed.if you run the new 11 down i don't think you know the facts.this is the real deal
men.probably the best truck ever made in a production truck. thanks just my thoughts
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. Im not going to take fords word on this truck many people did on the 6.0 and the 6.4 and got burnt. With that being said the people that are really promoting this truck makes me think that they are getting paid/kickback to do so. A few people have said that they are going to trade in their 7.3 for the 6.7 that will be a big mistake. 6.7 is not proven at all and neither is ford when it comes down to building their own diesel motor. Im going to keep my 7.3even if i buy another. truck the 7.3 is proven. for all the "green" people out there buy a bike or a horse and see how you like that.
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