Well that is new on me... By cage do you mean the carier? All the rear diffs that I have ever seen in any truck have had only 1 Pinion gear. Where did you get this info?
I used to pull a two horse trailer with one horse up and down BigBear in Ca, with a Dodge V6 pre magnum and got it done.
That said I own a 2002 F350 5.4 4x4 auto,4.10, 4 door long bed and would not hesitate to tow with it. I bought it at a great($28500) deal and it has manual hubs and manual shift trans case.
But for the small price difference the V10 is the way to go IMO.The extra cooling etc, and the same mileage.....
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2-06, traded 7.3 on NEW F250 Supercab,4x4, 5.4, XL...manual everything. wife put neat tires and rims, I'm now driving the Dodge diesel handshaker.
I just got a 2003 super cab with the 5.4 and I love it. My wife and daughter show horses and the truck will pull a 7,000lb load with no problem. The 2003 trucks with the 5.4 have 280HP and 2004 will have 300HP. True the 5.4 does not have the pulling power of a diesel or v10 but it all depends on what you will be using the truck for and how much you want to spend. If MPG is important to you then you don't need a big truck, you need a Toyota. <font color="green"> </font>
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Guys I had a 5.4L in a Supercab F250 but it was not a 4 wheel drive. I towed my 5600 pound camper with no problems at all. And it had the 3.73 rear too. I got 15 MPG's around town and about 10-11 towing. I had a trany temp guauge in in there and a cooler fan on its aux cooler. Never overheated it. It had plenty of acceleration for me. It sometimes had to downshift on hills when towing but not that bad of that often. Its a great engine. Does not have tremendous torqe but enough for moderate or smaller towing needs and if that is not every day its a fairly good choice on a gas engine in a Superduty. Now that said I not sure I would recommend it with a Crew cab and 4X4. But under the curcumstances I had mine under it performed admirably. And I would not hesitate to recommend it that way. It might just handle a crews extra weight alone but I would then think about the 4.10's. But remember that the GVW is climbing and its cutting into your available payload and towing ratings. 4X4 will cut that too. So keep that in mind when you do that math. The engine will do it. It might not be a rocket but it will do it.
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2001 F-350 SuperCrewzer, Crew Cab Dualy LB XLT, 7.3L PSD, 4.10 LS, Oxford White w/ Silver lower tone, Med Grey interior, Power 40/20/40, Auto w/ Dacco Super Hauler TC and Magnafine, Towing Pkg w/ Dual Alts, Ford AIC, Prodigy, Gentex Mirror, Cobra 29WXNWST, 5ft Firestik II, X Monitor, Baldwin Coolant Filter, Sony OH Video system, Yakima Racks and basket, 45 gal auxiliary tank and 12V Pump, Towing a 26 Foot Prowler Lite.
cphilip, thanks for the information, i think i will go with the 5.4 crew cab. I will be using the truck as a primary vehicle, and i will only tow my pig oven or boat which only wheighs 2000 lbs. I also have no plans to buy a bigger boat so i hope i will be makeing the right choice. After i read your post and the weight you towed, i think i am makeing the right choice. I will be takeing the truck down to florida twice a year and going to the cabin every weekend which is only 50 miles from my house, so i think the 5.4 will give me the best fuel millage. IF i am wrong with my decision with the 5.4 and my way of using it sound like it wont get the job done please let me know.
Good luck with your new truck. Chances are you'll "get by". Just be aware that resale is going to be dismal to say the least.
Not much demand for a heavy duty truck with a small block.
I think the 1 mpg you'll give up with the V-10 would be money well spent. JMHO.
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Good luck with your new truck. Chances are you'll "get by". Just be aware that resale is going to be dismal to say the least.
Not much demand for a heavy duty truck with a small block.
I think the 1 mpg you'll give up with the V-10 would be money well spent. JMHO.
Either way, enjoy your truck. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
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That is your opinion and only your opinion. The 1 mpg is where you are very wrong. I consistently get 13-14 mpg while most V10's get 10 mpg average. If they tell you different they are lying.
That is your opinion and only your opinion. The 1 mpg is where you are very wrong. I consistently get 13-14 mpg while most V10's get 10 mpg average. If they tell you different they are lying.
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WOW !!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img]
MY 1999 CC LB V-10 loaded with tools gets 11.5 Plus up to 16 MPG on HWY !!!!!
And I have No reason to LIE !!!!!!!!!Thats some statment!!!!
SAM. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img]
If you ever want to go for a ride in a V-10 and count the mile per gallon I invite you.. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img]
I drive alot of miles and buy alot of gas and I count every mile and gallon...
twinbulls
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ARE Custom Top W/ladder rack,Added a center seat/armrest,Clear corner lenses,TT mirrors, Rancho RS 9000X with incab remote, A work truck you can valet. NRA Life member.
2004 F250 6.0 Harley Davidson 4x4 crewcab
2007 F350 V10 Tow truck with selfloader
2003 F 550 7.3 Crewcab Fith wheel hauler My Truck
Sounds like Sam's got himself a baaaad case of V-10 envy goin' there! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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The 1 mpg is where you are very wrong. I consistently get 13-14 mpg while most V10's get 10 mpg average. If they tell you different they are lying.
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While Sam has only "heard" about what V-10's do me and others on this board actually own one and know the real deal. Mine averages 12 in town and the highest we've seen is 15.5 hwy but that's pure hwy driving at 70 mph. The realistic driving is 12 town and 14 hwy. By comparison I used to own a 1999 F-250 LD with the 5.4. The best it ever did was 15 mpg! In fact, I've owned 3 different trucks with the 5.4. A 1997 2x4, a 1998 Expedition, and the 1999 F-250 4x4 and there wasn't much difference between any of them when it comes to fuel mileage. I love the 5.4 and think it's a great engine. I just fail to understand why putting that same engine in a much heavier truck is a good thing for performance or fuel mileage. In fact, that's the only reason I sold the F-250. It just didn't have the power I needed.
So Samster, I've owned three 5.4's and one V-10 to draw experience from. How many V-10's did you say you've owned? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bleh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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If your refering to my thinking that resale will be dismal on a 5.4 equipped Superduty, your right. That's only an opinion.
Ford 5.4 at 260hp
Ford V-10 at 310hp
Chevy 6.0 at 325 hp
Dodge Hemi at 347 hp
Most folks who buy a "Heavy Duty" truck want power and capability. Where ya rekon the 5.4 figures in on the above list Sambo?
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I think the 6.0 Chev is rated at 300hp. The 'Hemi' is rated at 345. Big deal.
I could not be happier with my truck. It does what I want it to do and then some. I chose the 6 speed and the 4.10 gears and it's a very good combo. I didn't choose the 5.4 to get better mileage (some do though) rather I liked the power it makes and sounds better than a V10. My opinion.
Some are just more practical than others. I see alot of folks up here in the NW with PSD's to haul a quad or a dirt bike. Do they NEED a diesel for that? No. Did they get what they wanted? Yes. My V8 F250 hauls a camper with ease with a small alum boat in tow. If I ever need to tow 10 or 12K all the time a PSD will be in my driveway.
I think the person who started this thread will be very happy with the truck.
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I think the person who started this thread will be very happy with the truck.
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Or he could be happier with the 10 knowing that for a little more $$ he can have plenty of power in reserve should he need it.
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2003 F150 XLT SuperCrew 4x2 5.4 V8 - Wife's ride - Not sure if she'll let me modify this one yet or not.
Well guys,I just ordered my new truck with the V10,I think with all the information i recieved on this great site helped me decide to go with the V10. I will only be towing a 2000lbs trailer so either engine will do. But what i understand is the V-10 will give me 11 miles city, and 13 to 14 on the highway. I have an expedition with the 4.6 and thats what kind of milage i get now, so i can live with the V-10 and its milage, and all that extra power if i ever need it since i want to keep the truck 12 to 15 years or untill she dies.(You never know with 3 small boys what the future might hold, like a 20 foot camper or a 25 foot boat) So i figure i will eat 1 or 2 miles a gallon and always have enough power if i need it.I was always under the impression when people say the gas milage on the V-10 was bad , I thought is was somewhere like 8 city 11 highway.So i was pretty happy with the expeditions milage cosidering the size and the engine it had. So moving into a V-10 will be pretty exiting for me. Thanks again to all that replyed and helped with my decision,cause 40 grand is alot of money to me. THANKS AGAIN TO ALL. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]
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