The wife wants more seats than her Supercrew offers.
I am considering a 5.4 liter (I am fond of the one we have in the Supercrew) in an Excursion.
Am I all wet by thinking this is adequate power for an Excursion? She will not be towing.
The V-10 is only $500.00 more.
This is a kid hauler, and any help with mileage would be a bonus, but I do not want her underpowered on the expressways.
John
PS. She will not go for the Diesel
I test drove an Excursion w/ the 5.4 and 3.73 axle last year -- it was, shall we say, sluggish?
The $500 for the V10 buys more than the larger motor. It also includes a higher capacity radiator (2 cooling rows instead of 1), a stronger rear diff (3 pinion gears instead of 2), and a tighter TC (1.90 vs 2.10 in the Ex). I also think the TCC is stronger, but I can't find the specs...
HTH,
crewzer
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crewzer -- Y2K F250 SD 4X2 CC SB XLT 5.4LV8 AT 4.10LS
Crewzer,
I need help with the abbreviations.
I drove the 5.4L with the 3.73, and agree it's no rocket.
The V-10 felt "heavier", yet stronger, but not a bunch more pep. I understand it will drink 2 mpgs more than the 5.4L. I am curious about the 4.10 gear 5.4L match.
My past present success with the 5.4L makes me want it to be the better choice. I have no ownership experience with the V-10, and am cautious about the reliability.
John
Crewzer,
Good stuff. Unloaded, can you hang with your brother's truck?
Again, I have been very pleased with the 5.4, and she won't be towing.
John
No Mo,
I have considered the Expedition, but with the $3,000.00 rebate for the Excursion vs the $1,500.00 for the Expedition, I see more value for the Excusion for essentially the same price.
johnlyon where did you get your 2 mpg better info for the 5.4L? Everyone I have talked with get worse MPG than I do with the 3:73 rear end. I am getting 12.2 consistantly in the Dallas area around town and between 14 and 16 on the Highway depending on the speed limit.
Bob,
First from my dealer, and then "confirmed" by my Excursion owning nieghbors. The (admittedly) unscientific consensus is V-10 low teens, V-8 mid teens. [img]images/icons/crazy.gif[/img]
John
Stronger rear differential
Tighter torque converter (1.90:1 nominal stall ratio vs. 2.10:1)
TCC = torque converter clutch
I'm happy enough with the 5.4V8 and 4.10 combo in my 4X2 crew cab Super Duty. I wanted to get the V10 + 3.73 when I bought my truck in March 2000, but too many dealers told me about long waits for factory orders, so I bought mine off the lot. One of my brothers ordered his truck with V10 a few months later; he's very happy with the performance, and has had *no* problems of any kind. We both tow 3,250 lbs trailers.
His winter mileage around suburbia was ~9, and he's seen 15 mpg's on the highway. My 5.4's winter suburban mileage was ~10, and I've seen 16 on the highway.
One adjustment I've w/ the 5.4 made is to use mid-grade (89 octane) when towing at low altitudes (<2,500 ft), and 87 when towing above 2,500 ft. The engine is much more responsive, and it'll stay in overdrive longer before downshifting while climbing a hill.
crewzer
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crewzer -- Y2K F250 SD 4X2 CC SB XLT 5.4LV8 AT 4.10LS
I am biased too, and hate the V-10. Those who've been here a while know why!
I am very impressed so far with the powerband on my new 5.4/3.73 and mileage is better for short/in town trips. Highway mileage is about the same as the V-10 was.
Here's the kicker, though: Banks now makes a powerpack for the 5.4 that will put you up to about 10 more rear wheel horsies than a stock V-10. Plus, you should get some mileage improvement and it will sound sweet!
I would definatley go with the 5.4 and 3.73. Break it in a while, then put a powerpack on it if you need more. I was quoted about $1200 for the Banks kit from Fuel Injection in Allen, PA. I want to get a couple thousand miles on first and then I'm going for it.
Good Luck
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summitx:
Although I like the 5.4L in my superduty and think it's a fine engine choice, I've not hear that many negatives of the V10. Did you experience a problem with it? or was its performance not what you were expecting?
My V-10 had a severe flutter problem. Go to http://www.idrive.com/summitx and download the mp3 sound files to hear it.
It took a year of heavy battle with FMC to get any help. Finally, they put me in touch with a young guy who is the area rep for the Northwest (James Edwards) and he took care of me. Basically, he gave me a more than fair buy back on my old one and a $2000 voucher for a new one. I went with a 5.4 supercab and, although I really miss the Crew-Cab, I'm happy with it. The powerband is smooth and it seems to have the power where I need it most ~ 3-4000 RPM is just as tourqey as the V-10 was. Granted, the SC is a little lighter than a CC but....
I never towed anything significant with the V-10 but I do pull a 2 place snowmobile trailer that is probably 2500# loaded. The V-10 would pull OK but would have to downshift on even the slightest little hill. I've driven the new Chevy 8.1 vortec and I don't think the V-10 comes close to it for low-end torque.
As far as mileage, the V-8 does way better on in town driving but about the same on the highway at 75+.
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The little woman is starting to like the psd. She's even refering to it as her car now!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2001 PSD Excursion 4x4 Toreador Red, W code front springs, and at least one bad injector.
2001 E350 PSD cuttaway, 15' body with 2,000lb waltco liftgate, runs like a sewing machine.
2002 Toyota Xtracab Taco
31' Mallard travel trailer.
I have a 2001 excursion limited, V-10, 3.73 limided slip. I tow a 7500 pound boat on weekends in the hills of new england. The engine/axle combo does a great job. It is in no way over or under powered. When unloaded I consistantly get 14 mpg in town and as high as 17 on the highway, towing I get around 12 mpg. I feel that even with just the seats full, the 5.4 would be under powered and fuel economy would suffer. This is a heavy truck that's capable of doing a lot of work for you, why would you want to do it the injustice of under powering it. Resale would also suffer because most that are interested in the excursion have a job for it to do. Go for the V-10, you'll be happier later on.
I demoed an Ex with a V10 in Y2k and even that was underpowered. Dealers here won't even order one with a 5.4L. If memory serves (as of 2001 models), only the 2WD version is available with the V8. With the Ex weighing in at almost 4 tons, that small block is going to be working way too hard just to move the vehicle, much less any cargo/passengers.
Since my 2 day test of that Ex I have always stated that of the current crop of motors, the PSD is the only logical choice for the Ex.
Finally, with a 2WD Excursion, the resale/trade-in will be a shocker.
If you like that V8 in a SUV, an Expedition is better matched to that powerplant.
My .03
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