I know this is a "GAS" forum, but thought you might be interested in my "test drive " of a new Duramax today. I originally bought the V10 due to my driving habits and also didn't like all the noise in the PSD and Do*ge Cummins. The new Duramax (G*C 2500 4wd ext cab,auto,leather)was impressive with linear power and a smooth allison auto. The noise factor was not as quiet as my V10 but was FAR quieter than the competition. The outside of the truck is "Plain Jane" in my opinion and sits like a 2WD compared to my F350SD. The interior was rather "cheezy" and not on par with my Lariat (again, my opinion only). Now for the kicker... the asking price was $47,000.!!!!... with hardly any negotiations they tell me. This was 6K over the MSRP sticker and they (the dealer) only get 3 this year. I guess they only need to sell 3 to make their yearly profit margin. I just bought my V10 F350 4wd auto., lariat 4 months ago for $31,500. Now I'm no math wizard, but thats a whole lot of gas I can buy to make up THAT price. Power wise I'm sure it's (duramax) a towing monster, but my V10 still felt faster in acceleration empty (every day driving). The one ton G*C is only available now in a dually configuration they tell me. Again this is only informational and hope no one flames me too bad for putting it in the "GAS" forum.
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Y2k F350,V10,4x4,Lariat,SC,Auto,Tow pkg, Rancho 9000, Air Ride,Long bed,Lance Camper
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Seems people are rushing to just wait in line for a truck because of the tranny. Give it a year (or less) and they'll be a lot less expensive and have more configurations. Being the first model, no one really knows how the truck will stand up to work & time.
NoMo- Exactly my feelings...we'll wait and see how the aluminum heads and first model year shake down works on the Duramax set up. I told the salesman I'd look at it again in a year or two when they get real about prices and HE AGREED! Of course by then who knows what Ford may offer...Hard for me to imagine buying GM again...of course it had no FLUTTER (but flutter isn't bad vs. $47k)..
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Y2k F350,V10,4x4,Lariat,SC,Auto,Tow pkg, Rancho 9000, Air Ride,Long bed,Lance Camper
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outpost22 you sure could buy a lot of goodies for that kind of difference.
s to all and thebest.
Ed
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Duramax SRW trucks are all over the country and can be had for FAR cheaper than that, you just need to do some research and look around.
Buy what works for you. You want gas, go gas. Same for Diesel.
My next truck will be Diesel, manual shift, heavy duty, and obviously 4wd. I don't care what brand it ends up being, as long as it's not a Dodge. Nice engine, but noisy. They can keep the rest.
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I don't know where you people are getting these prices but a crew cab 4x4 Lt DMAX is no where near 47K...i highly doubt someone was asking 6k over invoice..these things are out there, its not like finding a needle in a haystack...as i stated in the general diesel forum, a friend of mine got his dmax crew cab 4x4 Ls for 36K..
I have to disagree about the interior..the LT series is alot nicer than the lariat series..my 99 SD lariat was very plain on the inside compared to the new Lt HD..Seats in the HD are a whole lot more comfortable..
The 2500HD has the ratings of a F350 therefore making it a one ton...just cuz it doesn't say 3500 doesn't mean anything..in fact, I believe GM did this cuz a lot of people are afraid of one tons...its like they think they ride different than a 3/4 ton..so GM markets this truck a 2500 which makes people believe its a 3/4ton, but in fact they are just getting the 50% of the population that wouldn't buy a one ton to buy one..
I agree the 4wd drives don't sit high enough..in fact the 2wd and 4wd drives sit the same height..in my opionion, the 4wd Super Duty F250 stock sits about the same as the 2500HD 2wd and 4wd...but an F350 4x4 sits a couple of inches higher than the 2500HD..
i also say that the crew can backseat in my ford was bigger than my chevy....
In regards to gas engines, the 6.0 vortec and 8.1 vortec, in my opinion , are more powerful motors than the v-10...the 6.0 makes 325 HP which is more than dodge or ford v-10...the 8.1 makes 345 HP..in all tests I have seen, the Dmax has out ran both vortecs..so therefore i find it hard to believe that a triton v-10 would out run the dmax...
If you are wondering, I sold my Super Duty because i blew the engine at 26K miles...Don' get me wrong, it was a great looking truck, in fact i miss it somewhat...but i felt the triton engine was underpowered and obviously it was cuz it threw a rod...ford did replace it with a quality Recontructed engine, but that was the last straw for me...sold it a month later..
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99 F250 black CC SWB lariat 4x4, 4.10LS National Spring 5 inch lift 35's 2k1 chevy crew cab LT 4x4 SWB pics of both at www.picturetrail.com/4x4
[This message has been edited by 4x4 (edited 01-06-2001).]
To 4x4,
Just looking through my 2001 G*C book the dealer gave me:
6.0 vortech= 300 hp NOT 325 hp.
I belive my V10 (2000) is 325 hp
2500 HD 4x4 GVWR = 9200 lbs.
F350 4x4= 9700lbs. (+500 lbs)
I wouldn't say the 2500 is equal to an F350.(closer than an F250 but not equal)
I still say the interior is CHEEZY! Their center console box would hardly hold a wallet. Although I'm sure any wallet will fit because it will be EMPTY paying for this thing. And, the seats killed my back after 2 miles, I couldn't adjust the lumbar supports in the HD out far enough to stop the torture. The glass area is reduced and not near the visibility out of a SD. Almost felt like a sports car.
And YES they are asking $47,000.00 for this truck. I know 2 others who looked at it. One offered $38k for it and they turned him down. The other was a personal friend who mockingly offered 42k and they said they'd consider it....yeah I would too for that dough. Next year they'll probably be a lot less or Ford and Do*ge will be more.
Sorry your motor ate it. I've lost motors before, but they usually revolved around what I did to 'em. AND I didn't say my V10 would outrun the Duramaxipad loaded, only I thought it MIGHT unloaded. Hard to tell without side by side run. I did like that motor...wonder if you could squeeze one in a...naw.. I'll keep the extra $15k even if it takes longer to get to the lake.
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"In regards to gas engines, the 6.0 vortec and 8.1 vortec, in my opinion , are more powerful motors than the v-10...the 6.0 makes 325 HP which is more than dodge or ford v-10...the 8.1 makes 345 HP.."
First, the 6.0L is more like 300/355- HP/torque. Those numbers aren't close to 310/425- HP/torque (Ford), for a truck engine.
Second, 8.1 liters is substantially greater displacement than 6.8 liters, albeit 8 cyls to 10 cyls. I would hope that GMC would be able to wring more HP and torque out of that arrangement!
One of the mags a couple of years ago, ran a head to head test of a Dodge 8.0 L V-10 truck and a 6.8 L V-10 Ford. The Ford outperformed the Dodge in all of the tests they ran on them. Not sure of the specific's on the Dodge, but #'s are slightly higher than Fords.
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The 2001 brochures were produced before GM gave the Ok for the updated 2k1 6.0, which has 325 HP and 365 Torque coming from aluminum heads, etc....looking at the towing in your manual, the 2500HD has the capicty to tow more than an F350..
and your v-10 has 310 HP..
If you think the Gm interior is cheesy, than what do you think about the plain jane interior of the SD...the seats are ten times more comfortable, atleast to me..i am 6'2" and 200lbs so maybe that has something to do with it..
The v-10 will not outrun the Dmax loaded or unloaded..the dmax out runs the 8.1, which in turn out runs the 6.8..so the dmax will out run the v-10..infact, i am not so sure that the 6.0 will not out run the v-10...
It is also hard to believe that the triton out ran the dodge v-10..
Bigger isn't always better, just look at Excursion sales versus Suburban sales..
again, i liked my sd, it was a great looking truck, but My opinion is that Ford SD sells will go down as a result of the HD and the upcoming dodge crew cab..there are lots of GM guys driving fords and dodge guys driving fords cuz of a)PSD b) crew cab...Now that GM has a competitive diesel and dodge will have the crew cab, ford sales will go down..unless the price tag drops way down..
anyway, we can agree to disagree..
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99 F250 black CC SWB lariat 4x4, 4.10LS National Spring 5 inch lift 35's 2k1 chevy crew cab LT 4x4 SWB pics of both at www.picturetrail.com/4x4
4x4, you sound like an ad for GM trucks. Wait until you have a problem with the GM trucks, you'll see how good GM really is. Been there, done that. As for the GM 2500 sitting as high as an F-250 SD 4x4, not in a million years. My friend bought one and is complaining that his truck sits lower than my stock SD. Performance? GM has LOTS of paper horsepower and torque. It's just that they, the hp and torque, seem to disappear somewhere between the engine and the rear wheels. Yes, GM has cheap interiors too. Further, GM has that cheap torsion bar suspension on a HD truck. My last GM ate ball joints, tie rod ends, and idler arms like they were candy. You've already got the DMax as the best thing out there, and it hasn't been out a year yet. Remember GM's intro diesel and overdrive transmissions weren't the best. One last thing, why would Ford drop prices, when GM is already OVERPRICED on comparable vehicles? Not trying to cause trouble, just disagreeing. SamC
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well Samc, I was parked to an 2000 F250 SD Crew Cab SWB 4x4 yesterday and his truck and my truck sat nearly indentical in height...again, i said the f350 does sit higher..
I never said the Dmax was the second coming, I just said it will outrun a v-10..Your right, time will tell if this truck and motor are as good as advertised..
I have had GM truck before and never had any major problems like blowing an engine at 26K miles..
Well see though...again, I totally disagree about the interior..I will say that i don't like the Ls interior, but the LT is about like a freakin caddy..
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99 F250 black CC SWB lariat 4x4, 4.10LS National Spring 5 inch lift 35's 2k1 chevy crew cab LT 4x4 SWB pics of both at www.picturetrail.com/4x4
"It is also hard to believe that the triton out ran the dodge v-10.."
Excerpt from TruckTrend Apr '98 issue,
"Ford's 6.8-liter V-10 uses a split-pin crank design that results in even firing impulses and a slightly smoother exhaust note. While it makes slightly less power than the larger Dodge V-10, its modern valvetrain and construction are more efficient and result in a higher specific output per liter."
I couldn't find the road test results in the online archives, but I read them in print!
We believe what we want to believe regardless of facts. The last election was proof of that!
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2000 Ford Excursion XLT 2WD, Chestnut/Parchment, V10, 3.73ls, autolamps/DRL's, Rear air deflector, Banks Powerpack with Transcommand, Edelbrock I.A.S's, 1 steel rear lift blocks, Tekonsha Sentinal. Towing a '00 Holiday Rambler 31 SKS, 10K gvwr
That is fine...I really didn't know cuz I never had a dodge v-10..i just know that the truck has what an 8.1 liter displacement and is used in the viper...
if you have proof, i believe you..no ands or buts about it..
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99 F250 black CC SWB lariat 4x4, 4.10LS National Spring 5 inch lift 35's 2k1 chevy crew cab LT 4x4 SWB pics of both at www.picturetrail.com/4x4
4x4,
I remember when that Do*ge V-10 was the greatest thing since sliced bread right up until Ivan Stewart blew his motor (Dog V10) 2 miles from the STARTING line in the BAJA race. I really cringe when I think about first year models and their BUGS. I'll give Duramax a year or two to see if it's right. All that power won't help while it sits in a repair shop...My last truck WAS a 95 GMC. O.K. truck but nowhere near a SD.
And we will disagree about the interiors, it (the HD)didn't fit my 6' 190lb frame at all, your back must be taller than mine!...thats why they make more than one brand of truck..take care
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Y2k F350,V10,4x4,Lariat,SC,Auto,Tow pkg,camper pkg,K&N, off road,3.73,Rancho 9000, Air Ride,Long bed,Michelin LTX M/S,Lance Camper
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