V-10 compared to 460 - Diesel Forum

Frank Vargo · 03-24-2001, 04:42 PM

Luv my '97, but the lease is about up. Can you tell me the similarities and differences between the new V-10 and my 460. I double up a 22' travel trailer and a 16'aluminum boat about 3 or 4 times a year. Pull one or the other at least once a week, this is during summer. Will I be as happy with the V-10. Would keep the '97, but the wife thinks we need a crew cab, she's right, boys are getting bigger.Would really apreciate your opinions, especially if you have owned both.
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outpost22 · 03-24-2001, 07:15 PM

Fishound,
First of all welcome to the site.
I have owned 2- 460's and now the V10. The 460 has better low end grunt and in my opinion thats the only place it out performs the V10. The V10 has smoother, linear power that will rev up to 4k without wimpering. The 460 powerbands in my trucks fell flat early on in the power curve compared to the V10. IMHO. The V10 also gets about 4 mpg better mileage than my 460's. It also is smaller displacement (410 vs. 460) but more efficient in it's design. For hauling, it should be fine, although others swear by their powerstroke diesels. If you're interested in the diesel, you should drive it too. I just don't drive mine enough to justify the extra $ for the powerstroke.
I think you might want to consider the 4:11 rear end instead of the 3:73 I run in my truck. I think for pulling trailers it would work out better for you.
Good Luck

chris350 · 03-24-2001, 07:24 PM

definitely driver the powerstroke, you won't be dissapointed, i have a powerstroke, and have driven a v-10 5-speed compared to the powerstroke it has no balls

outpost22 · 03-24-2001, 09:27 PM

I beg to differ with Chris. I raced my V10 against my brother in laws 2001 powerstroke up a mountain in Utah (he got a running start on me too). He has a utility box on his with tools and mine had a cabover camper on it. We were literally DEAD EVEN up that mountain at 5000' elevation and I am probably 1000 lbs heavier, more wind resistant with the camper and I have 4x4 vs. his 2x4. So don't believe the V10 doesn't have cajones compared to a powerstroke. They BOTH have a lot of power and my B-I-L was shocked that he couldn't smoke me [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Both of our engines are box stock.

Frankno1 · 03-24-2001, 10:06 PM

I have owned two 460ci or 7.5L engines a 1988 and a 1992 and now have a 2001 V10. I will withhold my judgement on the V10 until I have pulled with it for a while. I pull a 11850# Carriage with the 460's and never missed a lick. I think the 460 is one of the best pulling engines ever built. The only problem was it couldn't pass a gas station. When you are pulling 11,850#'s what can you expect. My total rig weighed out loaded at 17,900#'s. I was really sorry to see the 460 go. Happy Trucking,

Gale Simpson · 03-24-2001, 10:59 PM

Hi Fishhound
I have never owned a 460 however I have owned a V10 for 2 years. I now have a PSD.
The V10 was a very good motor, no problems at all. I feel if you don't really care about the gas mileage to much you would more than happy with the V10. It will give you more than enough power. Mileage was about 12 around town. On a trip to Florida about 16.
However in very cold weather, like 10 degrees or below the mileage dropped off to no better than 7. When the temp went back up a few degrees the mileage went back up.
The PSD does have more power and much better mileage. We really like the diesel, but if you don't want to spend the extra money get the V10. Its a great engine that will do anything you ask.

smkinc · 03-25-2001, 12:15 AM

If you like gas engines, the V10 is not bad. It produces significantly more power (energy per time) than both the 460 and the PSD.

However, it takes some time to get used to the RPM’s required to get that power. If you want an engine that can pull your trailer up a hill at 60 MPH in over-drive, rather than shifting down to third, then find another 460 (1998 or earlier, I think) or save your allowance for the PSD. My V10 makes the shift down request at the slightest incline with a 5000 lb trailer. However, the 4R100 transmission does not seem to hunt for gears like other truck/auto’s I’ve driven.

And when you want to pass your friend's new PSD, let the RPM's wander into the 4000's...he won't be able to keep up...although he will pass you at the gas station. He won't need to stop. YOU WILL!

outpost22 · 03-25-2001, 01:22 AM

That's right Fishound, you may be stopping for gas and the diesel won't, but you'll also be stopping at the bank collecting your INTEREST on the extra $4000.00 plus added maintenance costs you didn't have to spend on the diesel. Then you can take the interest and BUY the GAS and take the $4000.00 and upgrade your trailer [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

Frank Vargo · 03-25-2001, 10:32 PM

I really apreciate you guys taking the time to give your opinions. I'm really leaning towards the V-10, just can't substantiate the cost of the diesel. Thanks to you I can go shopping with confidence in the V-10. Once again thanks, what a great board and good knowledgeable people.

jcm · 03-26-2001, 09:36 AM

Chris350- I was under the impression that this particular forum was reserved for gas engine discussions. The original poster made no reference to considering diesel and if this situation was reversed and a gas comment was made in your diesel forums, you know what would happen. After being jumped on by a dozen or more diesel owners, the comment would be removed. I'm glad you love your diesel, but they aren't for everyone.

3992824 · 03-26-2001, 07:06 PM

smokeywren, are you out there! [img]images/icons/laugh.gif[/img] [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

03-27-2001, 12:25 AM

first of all fishhound,Frank and smkinc, welcome to the site! hope you stick around and learn a lot.

and also lets welcome JCM to FORD-DIESEL.COM yes we discriminate here.

texasrebel · 03-27-2001, 10:26 AM

I don't know for sure, the v-10 is a screamer high rpm power. 460 brute torque monster. PSD which i do own now for empty mileage reasons is great, but compared to a vortec 454 no comparison. I pulled with a guy hauling pump jacks from an abandoned oil field in east texas. 2 identical setups mine 454,single cab, 1-ton, 5 speed, 4:10.
his PSD, single cab, 1-ton, 5 speed, 4:10.
2 36' dual tandem goosenecks.
grossing out at 26,000 lbs

He could run with me until i down shifted out of overdrive and left his ass in my exaust fumes. Still pullin hard at 80 when i shift back into OD and let him catch up. I got 7 miles to the gallon, he got 8. and that goes for any PSD i have ever seen that really got worked on a DAily basis. pulling real loads like dozers and back hoes. [img]images/icons/cool.gif[/img] I just love that BBC rumble

And as far as PSD f-450's and 550's they get about 8 miles to the gallon with just a tool bed on it .

Kingosat · 03-27-2001, 10:44 AM

My 91 460 has a Paxton, headers and several other mods, and it is a pulling monster: for a gasser. As far as the reply about the V10 keeping up with the PS on a hill, my uncle with his has seen my tail lights on several occasions with his V10! The issue with the cost of the diesel: check the resale on a diesel-equipped truck and a gasser, and I know you will change your mind. If you intend to lease the new truck, the lease takes into consideration of the resale and the diesel is usually not much more monthly for the same truck with a V10. I had to think long and hard about the same thing, but after visiting the "dark side", I'll never go back! [img]images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

WhiteSuperDuty · 03-27-2001, 01:51 PM

in not instance did the original post suggest that he was considering a PSD. if a gasser even mentioned it in a diesel forum, regardless if it had to do with the engine or drivetrain, he would have his thread sent here. and as far as the 454 goes, this is a FORD GASSER thread, not a place to go and knock down the V-10!