I was told second hand by a Ford service advisor to stay away from the V10 because the V10's have an issue where they blow the spark plug threads out of the side of the head.At this point you hopefully buy a new cylinder head, if any damage happens, you buy a motor.
That's what I was told.
This is the first I've heard of it. I had a '00 and put 45K miles on it without a single complaint. Two buddies of mine have '01 and '02 V10s and same thing- no issues whatsoever. I'm downsizing from my dually 7.3 and trying to decide between a V10 or an '05 or later 6.0 for my next truck. The gas motor fits my driving patterns better, but if the V10's are plagued by such a serious problem, then I may as well flip a coin when deciding between a gas or PSD.
Anyone experience this problem in the V10's?
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It is somewhat of a problem on any of the newer generation gas engines, mainly from the 96-02 era 4.6/5.4/6.8 engines. I personally haven't seen or heard of any bottom end damage, usually just replace the cylinder head unless the customer wants a long block, which is usually only on high mileage engines. If it does blow out the plug threads, Timesert & Lisle both make special helicoil kits that I have heard good reports about.
Buddy
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It is a scattered issue with 99-02 or so engines. I wouldn't worry just be aware it could happen. Timesert repairs seem to work very well. Remember dealer service centers don't fix things they just replace parts. They only know to replace the head.
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Sounds like less of an issue than those that plague the 6.0L PSD.
Thanks for the feedback.
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RARE problem blown up by stupid service advisers...
My truck at 150 k no problems with the plugs....
Tim
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I have had the #4 plug blow on my truck and from what I have read really can happen on any engine with an aluminum head and has plagged Fords from 97-2004. First tried the Heli Coil wich worked for awhile then I lost all compresion out of it. Two weeks ago I bought the timesert fix (which is an amazing kit BTW) and so far so good on that. I had my local shop do the fix as it is the deepfreeze around here and no garage to work on it.
The Timesert is not a heli coil fix, the spark plug hole is borred out and retaped (they had to retap for the heli coil and sleave (the largest they had) it as well, this was larger yet) and then an insert is put in that is counter sunk into the head. In theory the plug is supposed to be able to be changed normally now. The kit runs 350 for the triton big bore kit and comes with everything you need to do it yourself and 5 of the inserts (which are cold rolled if it matters to you [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]).
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have had the #4 plug blow on my truck and from what I have read really can happen on any engine with an aluminum head and has plagged Fords from 97-2004. First tried the Heli Coil wich worked for awhile then I lost all compresion out of it. Two weeks ago I bought the timesert fix (which is an amazing kit BTW) and so far so good on that. I had my local shop do the fix as it is the deepfreeze around here and no garage to work on it.
The Timesert is not a heli coil fix, the spark plug hole is borred out and retaped (they had to retap for the heli coil and sleave (the largest they had) it as well, this was larger yet) and then an insert is put in that is counter sunk into the head. In theory the plug is supposed to be able to be changed normally now. The kit runs 350 for the triton big bore kit and comes with everything you need to do it yourself and 5 of the inserts (which are cold rolled if it matters to you ).
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This is common for the 5.4's and V10's to blow plugs out. However they don't actually blow the plug out of the hole. The spark plugs just rattle lose over time to the point where they are barely hanging then just pop out of the hole.
Since they are 100k plugs nobody ever checks them for torque (because your not supposed to) you can prevent this from happening by simply retorquing all your spark plugs.
And as far as time-sert or heli-coil repairs this is a big no-no. The spark plug cannot properly disipate heat through the insert and you will develop pinging problem on that cylinder which you may or may not hear.
This is actually how you can tell that your plugs are working lose, the engine will start pinging because heat cannot disipate well through a spark plug that is not fully torqued.
Anyways, the only proper way to fix a cylinder head when this happens and causes thread damage is have a properly equipped shot weld and retap the spark hole or put a reman Ford head on. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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have had the #4 plug blow on my truck and from what I have read really can happen on any engine with an aluminum head and has plagged Fords from 97-2004. First tried the Heli Coil wich worked for awhile then I lost all compresion out of it. Two weeks ago I bought the timesert fix (which is an amazing kit BTW) and so far so good on that. I had my local shop do the fix as it is the deepfreeze around here and no garage to work on it.
The Timesert is not a heli coil fix, the spark plug hole is borred out and retaped (they had to retap for the heli coil and sleave (the largest they had) it as well, this was larger yet) and then an insert is put in that is counter sunk into the head. In theory the plug is supposed to be able to be changed normally now. The kit runs 350 for the triton big bore kit and comes with everything you need to do it yourself and 5 of the inserts (which are cold rolled if it matters to you ).
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This is common for the 5.4's and V10's to blow plugs out. However they don't actually blow the plug out of the hole. The spark plugs just rattle lose over time to the point where they are barely hanging then just pop out of the hole.
Since they are 100k plugs nobody ever checks them for torque (because your not supposed to) you can prevent this from happening by simply retorquing all your spark plugs.
And as far as time-sert or heli-coil repairs this is a big no-no. The spark plug cannot properly disipate heat through the insert and you will develop pinging problem on that cylinder which you may or may not hear.
This is actually how you can tell that your plugs are working lose, the engine will start pinging because heat cannot disipate well through a spark plug that is not fully torqued.
Anyways, the only proper way to fix a cylinder head when this happens and causes thread damage is have a properly equipped shot weld and retap the spark hole or put a reman Ford head on. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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You are actually wrong on this. The plug blew out of the hole taking the threads with it and destroying the Ignition coil in the process. To be honest you sound like you work for Ford as your above answer sounds just like what most people are told [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] You are right the best way to fix is to get a new/reman head(s) put on but that is thousands of dollars and many labor hours later which if one can afford that is great but I dont know tons of people that can handle a random 3-5k bill dropped in their lap.
As for the heat issue I am currious to your reasoning on this as it seems to be a bit of a design flaw to start with for the Tritons. The plugs sit so deep in the engine and towards the center they seem to cause their own heat issue time-serted or not.
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You are actually wrong on this. The plug blew out of the hole taking the threads with it and destroying the Ignition coil in the process. To be honest you sound like you work for Ford as your above answer sounds just like what most people are told You are right the best way to fix is to get a new/reman head(s) put on but that is thousands of dollars and many labor hours later which if one can afford that is great but I dont know tons of people that can handle a random 3-5k bill dropped in their lap.
As for the heat issue I am currious to your reasoning on this as it seems to be a bit of a design flaw to start with for the Tritons. The plugs sit so deep in the engine and towards the center they seem to cause their own heat issue time-serted or not.
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I have replaced a few engines that have pinged themselves to death because of lose spark plugs and one because the person used a time-sert thread repair after a plug blew out.
The plug does not blow out, the plug loosens up and starts causing damage to the threads then pops out. It only has about 3 threads to grab onto in the head. When it pops out it bounces back and forth while the engine is still running which is what kills the threads.
If the driver shuts it off as soon as it pops the threads can be cleaned up and new spark can be threaded in with no worries but most people continue to drive for a period of time.
The dealership I worked at used to see about 3 of these a month. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I have replaced a few engines that have pinged themselves to death because of lose spark plugs and one because the person used a time-sert thread repair after a plug blew out.
The plug does not blow out, the plug loosens up and starts causing damage to the threads then pops out. It only has about 3 threads to grab onto in the head. When it pops out it bounces back and forth while the engine is still running which is what kills the threads.
If the driver shuts it off as soon as it pops the threads can be cleaned up and new spark can be threaded in with no worries but most people continue to drive for a period of time.
The dealership I worked at used to see about 3 of these a month. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Fair enough, however I stopped after about 100 feet and didnt run it again till fixed (happened on acceleration through an intersection). And my plugs were relatively new (10k miles on em or so). SO maybe mine might be an extreme case dunno but that is and has been my experience.
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I call BS on the timeserts causing pinging that destroys engine. I manage repairs on over 200 Ford Crown Vics with the 4.6 and use the timeserts on a weekly basis with NO issues. Been using Timeserts for years, with engines going over 400,000 miles.
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We use the Timeserts for all cash jobs and never have had any issues.
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Had a 2000 5.4 in an expedition blow a plug. Took the coil pack with it as well. Sitting at a stop light, light turned green and went to accelerate "POW". Sounded like it threw a rod. Anyway, this was 2 weeks after its 100k service. Imagine that...... That plug evidently didn't get torqued or really tightened for that matter. Luckily, it hadn't been loose long enough and stuck a new plug and coil pack on it and away it went.
Oh, and have a buddy with a 99 5.4 that blew a plug, threads and all. He did the timesert thingy and that was something like 70,000 miles ago with absolutely no trouble.
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