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Old 02-13-2006, 09:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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V10 VS (OR) 460

I'm starting to look at motorhomes in the 30-35 foot range but am a little undecided about which FORD powerplant to look at. I simply can't rationalize the extra expense of going diesel. How do the V10 Fords pull compared to the older V-8 460's? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I do plan on pulling a 20 foot plus enclosed trailer with my Willy's rockcrawler in it.
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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

The Ford V10 is a strong motor, and should outrun the 460 while getting better MPG in the process. Look for a V10 with the PI heads for a bit of a power increase. I believe these motors made it out in the 2001 model year. The 99s and 2000s were a bit less powerful, but still do a decent job.
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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

I can't say that I have ever driven a motorhome with a 460, but I did drive offs for quality and horizon for a couple summer's and drove a bunch of V10's. Prepare your self for a High RPM affair. Seems like every motorhome was geared way too high to pull even the slightest incline in 4th gear (old 4r100) and would downshift all the time into third. Pulling a trailer that size I'd say you'll be in third most of the time. The motor will take it and has a ton of power above 2500 rpm but a lot of people don't like a motor running high rpm's for a long time.

Oh and I wasn't exactly empty, almost always towing a Chevy 4x4 4dr Tracker (3500 lbs?).

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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

I guess from the couple of responses, I wouldn't be unhappy that my future motorhome (Jeep puller) might have a Ford V10 for power. I'm kind of an old school person who's survived for many years with a 460 and more than a little uncomfortable with some of the new technology.

Thanx for the replys and for not stoning me because of my signiture. Ya know, the Cummins in the Ford thing.
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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

I owned a 460 in a 1977 Ford F250 and it was a really good truck. It had over 200,000 miles when we sold it and the guy that bought it is still running it today on his farm.

We now have a 2002 Excursion with the V-10 and there is no camparision. The V-10 is the finest gasoline engine I have ever owned. It is smooth, sounds very good and pushes our Excursion like it weighs nothing. It is actually hard to keep the Excursion under 80 unless you set the cruise.

I talked to a lot of people before we bought it and I have one customer with it in a van with 300,000 miles on it.

You will like the V-10 for sure.
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I guess from the couple of responses, I wouldn't be unhappy that my future motorhome (Jeep puller) might have a Ford V10 for power. I'm kind of an old school person who's survived for many years with a 460 and more than a little uncomfortable with some of the new technology.

Thanx for the replys and for not stoning me because of my signiture. Ya know, the Cummins in the Ford thing.

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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

I have owned and driven both the v-10 and the 460 and the 460 had more power. Both trucks were 5 spds with 3.73s On the other hand the v-10 got about 2-3 mpg better pulling then the 460.
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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

What gear ratio do those motorhomes run?

I used to sometimes carry a 10ft cabover camper and pull a horse trailer with a pickup with 460 and it struggled. A headwind or hill would have me grabbing lower gears. Both at the same time would have me dropping gears and losing speed. High elevations and mountain passes and I would get passed by Dumb and Dumber on their scooter. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

I have a friend with a V-10 in a motorhome (2002). It pulls O.K., m.p.g. is actually pretty good. Transmission is another story. If I were looking at gas motorhomes, I would get a Workhorse with the 8.1L and an Allison.
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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

I have read your post. We have a 2001 6.8 v-10 with 14,000 miles it sounds good but has no power. Does anyone have any suggestions? The mechanic tested it and says it is running right. The person we bought it from told us it will pass any 460. The motorhome has sat in storeage for three years. Thank You GAlbery
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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

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I have owned and driven both the v-10 and the 460 and the 460 had more power. Both trucks were 5 spds with 3.73s On the other hand the v-10 got about 2-3 mpg better pulling then the 460.

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That's interesting because my 97 F250 4x4 xcab gets 12mpg mixed highway/city and I know of 3 people with V10 F250s, 2xcabs 1 crew all 4x4 and they dream of getting 12 mpg mixed; the best any of them get is 10mpg the others are 8 and 9 mpg. I can't compare towing mpg, we never discussed it.
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it sounds good but has no power. Does anyone have any suggestions?

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Don't drive it like a V-8... its not one.

Most people's complaints about the V-10 come from lack of understanding of the nature of the V-10's powerband and how to drive within it. If you shift it like a big block V-8 it won't have the power you're looking for. Run it to 4500 or 5000 before shifting it and you'll be a LOT happier because they like to be wound up tight to make power.

When towing with my grandfather's 2000 F350 2wd V-10 I found that the engine didn't even wake up until above 2500. Once it passed 2500 though it would pull all the way to the rev limiter.

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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

We have a 2003 6.8 in a 31 foot C that has about 14K miles now; it scales at about 13,900 and it often pulls the 20' race trailer that scales at approx 5K with the toys and tools in it. I run the v10 out of OD often at 65-75 and it gets 7.5-8mpg. I run it hard, it uses no oil, and couldn't be happier. Without the trailer, it feels quite strong and has no trouble accelerating in a short freeway on ramp.

In 02, I spent a fair amount of time looking at various motorhomes. I found a real clean '95 28 ft Class C (but not enough room) w/ a stock 460. It was smaller/lighter and ran good, but wouldn't have beat the 31 footer. The motor was not my prime concern, but, it was rougher, noisier, etc.

After the late 90s I don't think you'll find too many 460s in Cs or As. For me, I wouldn't buy a motorhome just based on the motor anyway. All that you can do is compare for yourself--

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Re: V10 VS (OR) 460

I had a '99 V10 F350 pulling a travel trailer for a while.

I had the pedal on the floor for every grade in the Rockies. A few grades on I80 dropped us below 40MPH. The tranny downshifted to 2nd on a few hills.

I personally would never buy a motorhome with a gas engine after my experience. Gas motorhomes are certainly much less expensive than diesels so everyone has to make up their own mind.

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