Report: 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty Officially Debuts at Texas State Fair - Page 2 - Diesel Forum

guardrail22 · 10-06-2009, 08:28 PM

first thing I thought of was a set of chrome plated Fat Albert lips from the old cartoon series. Or maybe a chrome plated Mick Jagger logo.

Then I went thru the videos and most of the words come right out of the script for the announcement of the 08.

I'll wait until we can see multiple trims and colors but wouldn't jump on it now.

6SPDMANUAL · 10-06-2009, 10:35 PM

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I personally won't miss the stick, my industry (towing and recovery) has more and more auto's anyway. At least Ford is giving us a full manual shift mode. When you set it to manual mode, they claim it has a stick shift feel, and won't shift gears until you press the shift up or down buttons. Not the same I know, but a decent compromise for the low number of stick buyers.

All my repo trucks are auto too. can you believe i actually have guys, yes guys that can not even drive a stick?? anyway in a company type situation, auto is the only way to go. someone who does own the truck and does not have to pay to repair it needs an auto so they do not tear something up. perfect example of the auto being for lazy people and stupid people. but the few personal guys that one in their truck because they really like the way the truck works and feels are going to out their truck. now we all have to conform to the masses, but trust me that is not always the best. I personally hate it, and will not buy another auto. I had three of my own, and they are more troublesome for me to drive than my sticks. meaning they jump gears, will nt pull in cruise mode without downshifting when the wind blows, and just generally using more fuel, more money, and more time at the shop for maintanance. I hate them. ford will loose customers, maybe not enough to matter, but they will loose them. and if this new engine has that urea "tank" thing or whatever it is, many more people will go to another brand. Plus have you guys seen the videos with the duallies??? WHOLY UGLY FENDERS BATMAN!! over all i think truck looks pretty good, grill a bit big, but looks good all around until I saw that dually fender. that thing is ugly, what were they thinking? it looks like the dodge mega cab fender, only bigger and uglier. usually these new changes grow on me as see them more and more, but this one is getting worse, each time i find some new info or pics, I get a little more turned off to it.

6SPDMANUAL · 10-06-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by guardrail22

first thing I thought of was a set of chrome plated Fat Albert lips from the old cartoon series. Or maybe a chrome plated Mick Jagger logo.

Then I went thru the videos and most of the words come right out of the script for the announcement of the 08.

I'll wait until we can see multiple trims and colors but wouldn't jump on it now.

unless this thing is super efficient, super strong and bullet proof, your 08 is nearly the same truck. i would not change either if I still had my 08

durantdiesel · 10-07-2009, 05:11 AM

Wow I am really torn on this. I have an '05 6.0L and it has 130K on it so I am starting to look around. From what I am seeing my options aren't that great. I don't really want the SCR crap but I like the info on the new engine so far. I know this thing is going to be majorly overpriced also. The other option is a Dodge with the new crew cab but again it is a Dodge and they aren't known for their quality, great engine poor wrapper. I guess I still have time to decide but its a tough one. As for the auto I don't mind them the torque shift in my '05 is solid as a rock

Ro39 · 10-08-2009, 01:45 AM

6spd makes a great point about the downshifting on cruise.......if you are set in the manual mode, what would the truck do? would it be less likely to shift and only do so at the last minute or "when the wind blows"?

guardrail22 · 10-09-2009, 08:19 AM

I love the part in the video where they say they are listening to the customer.

At the 2004 Diesel Rally we gave their marketing whizes a list and they still haven't hit a couple of them - most noteably rear AC and factory installed remote start.

Raise your hand if they asked you about what they should do for 2011.

Looking at the top ten mods people make would make some sense - maybe they should ship all of them lifted with chips and big exhaust.

dzzz · 10-09-2009, 01:55 PM

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Another amazing feature is what Ford calls Live Drive PTO (Power Take Off), which allows auxiliary equipment like snowplows or salt spreaders to be powered through the transmission. Ford is the first company to bring this technology over from agricultural machines.

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Live pto means what? That it operates with the truck in gear and moving?

JH3Rob · 10-21-2009, 09:06 AM

Wow no stick? Not a big deal for me but I know that will PO a lot of diesel enthusiasts at the least. As for the looks I personally don't care what a truck looks like as long as it gets the job done. All that fancy trim just looks like stuff to get ruined, but I'm sure the work trucks will stick with good old fashioned black plastic. The PTO sounds like a really cool feature, especially for farmers and landscapers. If my company takes off and we have the money I just might have to get one of those bad boys.

lari2001 · 10-21-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 6SPDMANUAL

WOW!! at least one other person comented on the no manual deal now.
and some said it was hidiously ugly? I think they could have done a better job but i would not go that far. that ugly set up in the front allows for huge radiator and huge air flow to it. I have to say that was ahuge improvement over the 99-07 style trucks. I wish we would all get together and really send messages to ford about the things we want and do not want in trucks. maybe get them to actually do it. and further researchon this new truck has shown that the bumpers are still painted for the king ranch model. that is such a stupid move. they chip, scratch and just look beat up after only a year or so.

Here is a perfect example of someone who is being unreasonable. If you want to switch brands because Ford doesn't offer a stick then go right ahead, I heard dodge won't be soon either. Go ahead and lose the capacity you would get with ford.
You also said you wished ford would have a forum for us to post on so they would listen to us but right here in this quote above you disagree with someone elses comments (you don't think the 2011 truck is hideous like the other guy). How do you think Ford would react to a billion different opinions? How do you build a truck off of all those opinions? The other guy would want the 99-04 headlights, you kinda like the 11 headlights, okay, what's ford supposed to do there? Some people don't like the big grill, some don't like the big oval on the tailgate, I happen to love that stuff, are they going to listen to me or you?
have fun in your dodge.

durantdiesel · 10-22-2009, 12:39 PM

I am waiting for pricing and specs, as for a manual its a non issue with me

lari2001 · 10-22-2009, 03:41 PM

one other issue I wanted to address was the options. it was said that if you compared today's trucks to the trucks of 20 years ago you would see fewer options.....HUH? I strongly disagree, there are far more options on every single aspect of these trucks, the only place you have a legitament complaint is the manual transmission, but even then, lets compare the automatics to the transmissions from even 10 years ago, this new trans will have a feature that will allow you to manually select what gear you want, they look to be making it as easy as possible for the driver, if it just boils down to the fact that you have to have that feeling of moving the stick from gear to gear then sorry, join the other 2% that cares. the interiors of these trucks are literally 10 times what they were 20 years ago, the motors and electronics are far better, Ford offers by far the most configurations than any other truck brand, to say they don't offer enough is just ludicrous. i can't believe the complaining i'm reading from some of these people, I was pumped after watching all those youtube videos of the new truck, then I come on here and read nothing but complaints. Amazing.
Go ahead and buy a 2010 dodge, sure, it will have a stick but it won't compare to the super duty, the cummins is great and all but that's it, go ahead and buy a chevy, the d-max and allison....oops, you don't want the ally, I don't believe GM has a stick either, but , lets say they do, go ahead and buy one, see how much you can tow, you will certainly have a lot less truck that has the weakest front end and nowhere near the options ford has.

vurtle · 10-22-2009, 03:48 PM

I feel sorry for the diesel mechanics. I am one and I am let down by ford again. I was really hoping they would put a straight six in. Maybe their engineers and design team will wake up one of these days.

Ro39 · 10-22-2009, 04:39 PM

im the opposite of a diesel mechanic soooo........ what the reasoning behind you wanting a i6 vs v8? im not saying your wrong, im just curious...

vurtle · 10-22-2009, 05:34 PM

V8s especially with twin turbos take up too much room. I6 is usually easier to work on due to the extra room as long as the cab is not on top of the motor. I am not gonna go into the debate of power between the two because the debate would never ever ever ever end. I just like things to be simple and roomy to work around. And cheaper parts. Although any parts made today are expensive. Simplicity is the key to excellent engineering.

lari2001 · 10-22-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ro39

im the opposite of a diesel mechanic soooo........ what the reasoning behind you wanting a i6 vs v8? im not saying your wrong, im just curious...

Well, I agree partially with him, I hope Ford comes out with an I6 option one of these days, they could offer a V8 and an I6, they would own the truck segment if they did that, there are so many people that buy Dodge trucks just for the cummins, on top of that, there have been thousands that have pulled their powerstroke engines to put a cummins in because they all say that there is no better truck than a ford with a cummins. I think it's a great idea and I've talked about it for years now. With Ford building their own diesels in house it would be easier for them to design and build an I6 to mate up to the new 6 speed trans, that would put dodge out of business for sure.