2006 Head gasket replaced @ 28,000 - Page 2 - Diesel Forum

crazyrc · 10-27-2006, 04:00 AM

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Why lift the truck if your gonna pull with it? Just doesnt seem like something to do to a work truck. Seems like it would compromise everyones safety as brakes are intended to work with the proper sized tires. Big loads + Bigger tires is a bad idea. Specially since the load is way over what the truck is rated for. Very high probability to get severe brake fade in a panic stop.

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You don't rely on the trucks brakes alone to stop a load like that...Thats why trailers have these cool things built into them...They're called trailer brakes. Big loads+ big tires...True it places additional work load on the truck. I tow regularly with 38" tires...4.56 Gears, SCT etc. 25,000lbs is a little excessive for a SD

moabtj · 10-30-2006, 09:52 AM

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Why lift the truck if your gonna pull with it? Just doesnt seem like something to do to a work truck. Seems like it would compromise everyones safety as brakes are intended to work with the proper sized tires. Big loads + Bigger tires is a bad idea. Specially since the load is way over what the truck is rated for. Very high probability to get severe brake fade in a panic stop.

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You don't rely on the trucks brakes alone to stop a load like that...Thats why trailers have these cool things built into them...They're called trailer brakes. Big loads+ big tires...True it places additional work load on the truck. I tow regularly with 38" tires...4.56 Gears, SCT etc. 25,000lbs is a little excessive for a SD

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Thank you, enough said...

moabtj · 10-30-2006, 09:53 AM

Weel,

The dealer replaced the head gaskets, they questioned me about a chip... I denied it. they also replaced the egr cooler. I am very lucky, I don't know if the hyperpac will be making its way back into the truck...

AllOutFirefighter13 · 10-31-2006, 12:34 PM

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they questioned me about a chip... I denied it.

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Dude, c'mon.....It's reasons like this that are a contributing cause to the ever increasing cost of warranty work. IMHO you should've paid the repair cost as I believe the programmer plus overloading was the direct cause of your overheating. What can I say, this is my own opinion and wouldn't hold water to anything right now, but I sure hope I don't see you on any roads around my area. If so, you'll soon have a trooper pulling you over. And yes, I've seen MVAs that were results from dumba$$'s who thought they could safely pull an overweighted load. It should've been their responsibility to tell the kid's parents that they were the reason their child was no longer with us instead of having a doctor do it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]

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I am very lucky, I don't know if the hyperpac will be making its way back into the truck...

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I'd bet a buffalo nickel that it will once the truck doesn't pull that big of a load like it "used to". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]

catdiesel0631 · 11-01-2006, 09:41 PM

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they questioned me about a chip... I denied it.

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Dude, c'mon.....It's reasons like this that are a contributing cause to the ever increasing cost of warranty work. IMHO you should've paid the repair cost as I believe the programmer plus overloading was the direct cause of your overheating. What can I say, this is my own opinion and wouldn't hold water to anything right now, but I sure hope I don't see you on any roads around my area. If so, you'll soon have a trooper pulling you over. And yes, I've seen MVAs that were results from dumba$$'s who thought they could safely pull an overweighted load. It should've been their responsibility to tell the kid's parents that they were the reason their child was no longer with us instead of having a doctor do it. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]

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I am very lucky, I don't know if the hyperpac will be making its way back into the truck...

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I'd bet a buffalo nickel that it will once the truck doesn't pull that big of a load like it "used to". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/vomit.gif[/img]

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OK im getting to the point were im calling people out on what they think about matters and subjects. And before I get into this im not gonna say that the programmer didnt contribute to the failure.

WHY on earth would overloading the TRUCK make the engine at fault.

IF the engine cant handle a 95% load factor for more than 5 minutes than its a absolute POS end of story.

Only thing towing heavy does is make the engine work at RATED hp.

Can you please explain to me how you get at RATED horsepower???????

Doesnt matter if hes a GVWR or 30,000 OVER GVWR the engine will ONLY do what its RATED to do. PERIOD.

I see alot of people BLAIMING the engine failures on a overloaded truck, this theroy may have been true back in the older carb. gas engine days but these are ELECTRONIC Diesel engines.

DUDE, give all us here that do this $#%^ for a living a break.

FORDTUFF36 · 11-01-2006, 11:49 PM

MY 06 F350 HAS 15000 ON IT AND I JUST LOST BOTH HEAD GASKETS. FORD SAYS IT IS FROM OVERBOOST(OVER 24LBS). I HAVE NOW FOUND OUT THAT THEY USED TOO WEAK OF HEAD BOLTS AND STRETCH UNDER HIGH BOOST ALLOWING THE GASKET TO BLOW OUT. THEY BLAME IT ON MY BANKS BUT I KNOW 3 OTHER PEOPLE THAT THIS HAPPENED TO RUNNING STOCK. SUPPOSEDLY ARP HEAD STUDS AND THE FORD UPGRADED HEAD GASKETS ARE WHAT BD IS DOING AND IS HOLDING WELL.

AllOutFirefighter13 · 11-02-2006, 11:14 AM

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WHY on earth would overloading the TRUCK make the engine at fault.

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 I don't know...let's see...maybe because the engine was DESIGNED to only pull a limited amount of weight. 

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IF the engine cant handle a 95% load factor for more than 5 minutes than its a absolute POS end of story.

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 That load factor is determined by the GCWR of the vehicle as listed by the documents written by people that evidentaly have more knowledge about the engineering involved with this engine than you! 

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Only thing towing heavy does is make the engine work at RATED hp.

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 Towing at or below the listed GCWR does make the engine work at "RATED" HP and allows the heat generated to be properly dissipated by the cooling system. I don't see ANYTHING that says towing over the GCWR is still covered under warranty. It seems the mechanic that rode with him didn't have enough sense to say "Wow, that sure is a lot of weight!" and actually find out what the total weight was. 

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Can you please explain to me how you get at RATED horsepower???????

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 RATED HP is achieved by combining a certain amount of fuel with a certain amount of air, usually under boost, ignited by compression (in this case), to achieve a desired level of power. This is precisely controlled by the computers (who BTW can think and make decisions a lot faster than we can, based on the code that is stored). 

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Doesnt matter if hes a GVWR or 30,000 OVER GVWR the engine will ONLY do what its RATED to do. PERIOD.

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 You are exactly correct! It will do what it is rated to do. But what happens when that rating is changed with the use of aftermarket electronics that add power? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] I guess in your eyes pushing an engine beyond what it was designed to do by engineers that, from what I can tell, have more schooling and knowledge than you is okay and that the extra energy produced just "disappears". 

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I see alot of people BLAIMING the engine failures on a overloaded truck, this theroy may have been true back in the older carb. gas engine days but these are ELECTRONIC Diesel engines.

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 I'm not just blaming this engine failure on an overloaded truck. I'm blaming it on an overloaded truck PLUS one that used a programmer while being overloaded. Do you think you could safely carry a 400+ pound person WHILE having large doses of adrenaline in your blood WHILE navigating yourself and cargo down a sidewalk full of people without A) running into and hurting someone and B) not rupturing/damaging something inside your body that is vital to keeping you alive? Also, let's not forget the fact that running over the weight limit is ILLEGAL !!!! 

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DUDE, give all us here that do this $#%^ for a living a break.

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 I'll give you a break when people stop breaking the law, own up to their wrongdoings, and innocent peopel quit dying from wrecks that can be traced to overloaded transporters!!!

TXGooseneck · 11-02-2006, 01:43 PM

How is it breaking the law? The DOT looks at several factors (GCVW, axle rating, tire rating and so on).

If you have a truck rated at 11,500lbs and a trailer rated at 24,999lbs you have a gross combined weight rating of 36,499lbs. If you don't exceed that they will let you roll on through.

One of our Dodge trucks is apportioned at 42k. We don't haul that heavy, but are legal to do so. What you think the law is (or should be) vs. what it is are two totally seperate issues.

We play with in the rules. Do we need a heavier truck, of course. But I can run a fleet of 4 F-350's or Dodge 3500's for each tractor I buy.

But as stated, you should be able to work the engines at full capacity without it exploding. I'd be curious to see all the heavy applications that the 6.0 are used in.

444turbodiesel · 11-02-2006, 03:53 PM

I have to agree with the load factor here. The cooling system should be designed to maintain safe temperatures with the engine operating at full capacity regardless of the circumstance. Now if you soup it up (the engine) then all bets are off. However, there are plenty of BONE STOCK trucks that are having cooling system issues, so it leaves one to question whether or not the system (specifically the headgasket) was designed correctly to begin with.

I've run my ole 7.3 well over the GCVWR (and well over the numbers discussed here) without any heat related issues what-so-ever even with significant hp mods.

I thought the '06 6.0's were supposed to have improved headgaskets/bolts from the factory [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

TXGooseneck · 11-02-2006, 04:07 PM

The Job 2 trucks do, not sure if the one in question is a job 1 or 2.

I've pulled as heavy as 25k gross with out any issues on my 6.0

444turbodiesel · 11-02-2006, 04:12 PM

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The Job 2 trucks do, not sure if the one in question is a job 1 or 2.

I've pulled as heavy as 25k gross with out any issues on my 6.0

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How can you tell the difference between Job 1 & 2?

TXGooseneck · 11-02-2006, 05:23 PM

Says Job 1 or Job two on the MSRP sticker [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

Other than that I have no idea by looking at the two.

catdiesel0631 · 11-02-2006, 08:03 PM

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WHY on earth would overloading the TRUCK make the engine at fault.

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 I don't know...let's see...maybe because the engine was DESIGNED to only pull a limited amount of weight. 

NO(to an extent but with exceptions). Engines are NOT designed around weight limits LOL Take a CAT for instance LOL. You can have one that has a HP rating of 300hp and one of a 600HP they BOTH are GVWR'ed at 80,000lbs [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]

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IF the engine cant handle a 95% load factor for more than 5 minutes than its a absolute POS end of story.

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 That load factor is determined by the GCWR of the vehicle as listed by the documents written by people that evidentaly have more knowledge about the engineering involved with this engine than you! 

NO.(to an extent with exceptions) but where your going with this NO, but a hint--and im sure you know this but you can make 100% load factor come active EMPTY.

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Only thing towing heavy does is make the engine work at RATED hp.

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 Towing at or below the listed GCWR does make the engine work at "RATED" HP and allows the heat generated to be properly dissipated by the cooling system. I don't see ANYTHING that says towing over the GCWR is still covered under warranty. It seems the mechanic that rode with him didn't have enough sense to say "Wow, that sure is a lot of weight!" and actually find out what the total weight was. 

MAN.......back to my answers above

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Can you please explain to me how you get at RATED horsepower???????

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 RATED HP is achieved by combining a certain amount of fuel with a certain amount of air, usually under boost, ignited by compression (in this case), to achieve a desired level of power. This is precisely controlled by the computers (who BTW can think and make decisions a lot faster than we can, based on the code that is stored). 

Finally a right answer!!!!!

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Doesnt matter if hes a GVWR or 30,000 OVER GVWR the engine will ONLY do what its RATED to do. PERIOD.

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 You are exactly correct! It will do what it is rated to do. But what happens when that rating is changed with the use of aftermarket electronics that add power? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] I guess in your eyes pushing an engine beyond what it was designed to do by engineers that, from what I can tell, have more schooling and knowledge than you is okay and that the extra energy produced just "disappears". 

So are you telling me that the 6.0L engine is OVER- RATED than what its CAPABLE of? maybe they should DERATE them like the DT365

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I see alot of people BLAIMING the engine failures on a overloaded truck, this theroy may have been true back in the older carb. gas engine days but these are ELECTRONIC Diesel engines.

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 I'm not just blaming this engine failure on an overloaded truck. I'm blaming it on an overloaded truck PLUS one that used a programmer while being overloaded. Do you think you could safely carry a 400+ pound person WHILE having large doses of adrenaline in your blood WHILE navigating yourself and cargo down a sidewalk full of people without A) running into and hurting someone and B) not rupturing/damaging something inside your body that is vital to keeping you alive? Also, let's not forget the fact that running over the weight limit is ILLEGAL !!!! 

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DUDE, give all us here that do this $#%^ for a living a break.

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 I'll give you a break when people stop breaking the law, own up to their wrongdoings, and innocent peopel quit dying from wrecks that can be traced to overloaded transporters!!! 

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ILL definitely agree with you on the overload issue for sure, I see alot of UN-experienced people pulling WAY too much with a TINY 1 Ton truck when it needs a CDL class truck. BUT I dont agree with you on the weight versus engine problems ideology.

As far as my knowledge goes on any matters like this....Im pretty well up to "date" on how things work and whats goin on. Other wise I wouldnt be were I am.

Like I said before, If the engine(or any for that matter) cant handle a load for anything of time no matter what then its definitely a POS.

Now with a programmer installed then its hard to say where it can be power wise.

IF he was towing in the "TOW" program then he REALLY shouldnt have had a problem.

444turbodiesel · 11-02-2006, 08:57 PM

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Says Job 1 or Job two on the MSRP sticker [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]

Other than that I have no idea by looking at the two.

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OK, thanks.

There's a '06 KR dually at my stealer I'm looking at as a possible replacement for my '01, I'll check the sticker.

Does anyone know what power level the new headgaskets/bolts are good for?

Suns_PSD · 11-03-2006, 05:49 PM

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WHY on earth would overloading the TRUCK make the engine at fault.

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 I don't know...let's see...maybe because the engine was DESIGNED to only pull a limited amount of weight. 

NO(to an extent but with exceptions). Engines are NOT designed around weight limits LOL Take a CAT for instance LOL. You can have one that has a HP rating of 300hp and one of a 600HP they BOTH are GVWR'ed at 80,000lbs [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]



Well one of the exceptions that comes to mind is this: the Kenworth T800 Wide Hood Heavy Hauls that I sell the heck out of over here, I can spec the C-15 625 hp up to 80K GCWR but only a max of 550 hp for over 80K. I can use up to 550hp up to 210K and then it goes down again. Why? Cause the engine will overheat and the CAC can not flow the elevated boost levels that come about when a load of this magnitude is hauled.

To say that GCW and engine load are not intimatedly related shows a lack of... well a lack of something.