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4th Set of injectors

I need recomendations for replacement injectors that are durable and reliable. Performance injectors are ok, but need something that is gonna last towing, etc.

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Been using Allied Performance injectors for the last 2 replacements, however the warranty is expired.

I have every fix for the 6.0 already invested, inlcuding turbo, FASS system, etc, etc.

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Full Force Diesel is the only place I would get stock replacements or modded...

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From what i have read on here, most people seem to only trust the Ford original remans for reliabilty
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originally went with Allied because alot of folks around the US talked about them as being the better stock replacement over the Fords.
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but if some performance injectors out there have proven to hold up to the mileage demands as well as towing/performance, then i would be intersted in those as well.
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4th Set of injectors

Have heard nothing but good things about Warren Diesel injectors, and their customer service is supposedly second to none.


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Warren injectors are modded from used injectors. Sure he stands by them but then do you want the hassle of waiting for another "used" injector from him??

Casserly injectors are modded from Ford OEM boxed injectors bought from Ford.

Want performance?? Casserly
Want durable and reliability?? Ford OEM

BTW I have 233k on my original injectors. I doubt I'll use anything else in the future.
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Casserly Injectors: what are the specs for modification? What performance gain?
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qOUTE--"If you are eating injectors you have an issue somewhere you need to figure out. Low fuel pressure is the #1 killer of injectors. Do you have a fuel pressure gauge? What is your fuel pressure. A weak FICM will also kill injectors. What is your FICM voltage? Are you runnning a 5w40 synthetic motor oil?"

reply: Myself and anyone I have seen for assistance has yet to get any low voltage codes thrown by the FICM. I do not have a fuel pressure gauage, however I think I need to get one.

What the guys at Innovative Diesel seem to think that stacking the 6-gun and the bank econo-tuner caused the failure because the truck ran great for a year after the last couple injectors went out. I will ask the mechanic working on my stuff back home (im in Afghanistan) to double check the voltage. I have a guage pod for boost, egt, and transmission temps, any other good places to mount fuel pressure pod?

I like Innovatives 155cc injectors and SCT custom tune recomendation thus far.
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Lincoln Diesel Service sells set of 8 Motorcraft new spool valve, new open/close coils injectors for $1549. These work and last. These injectors use the spool valve stops with the ground relief notch that is the mod to address cold "stiction".
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I have never heard that there is a code that the computer registers for low FMP voltage. I've certainly heard of people with FMP voltage down in the 30's and no code. Fuel pressure is definitely the main killer of injectors, as far as I am concerned. It needs to be tested with a Ford bypass pressure tester that simulates full power fuel flow.

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I have never heard that there is a code that the computer registers for low FMP voltage. I've certainly heard of people with FMP voltage down in the 30's and no code. Fuel pressure is definitely the main killer of injectors, as far as I am concerned. It needs to be tested with a Ford bypass pressure tester that simulates full power fuel flow.

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The Dec 2009 Ford flash will throw a P0611 code for low FICM_M. This is a "soft code" and wont through the wrench light. This flash also throws a code and the wrench light for EOT to ECT deltas.

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TSB 09-24-3 6.0L DIESEL CALIBRATION UPDATE - VARIOUS ISSUES

Publication Date: November 20, 2009

FORD: 2003-2005 Excursion
2003-2007 F-Super Duty
2004-2010 E-Series


This article supersedes TSB 9-7-11 to update the model years covered and Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS) calibration level.

ISSUE:
Some 2003-2007 F-Super Duty vehicles, 2003-2005 Excursions and 2004-2010 E-Series vehicles, equipped with a 6.0L diesel engine may exhibit hard start, no start, white smoke, lack of power, running rough condition after cold engine start up, or diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) P0404, P0470, P0611, P1260 and/or P1378 issues. Refer to the Calibration Content for information detailing specific vehicle content by vehicle application and model year that is being addressed by this calibration update.

This article includes previously released calibration content that improves injector performance in cold engine operation and additional diagnostic capabilities and product [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]protection [COLOR=blue !important]strategy[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] enhancements. These enhancements provide additional diagnostic capabilities, adds additional new DTCs and engine protection strategies. Refer to the Calibration Content for additional details. See the appropriate Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnostic (PC/ED) manual for technical descriptions and diagnostic routines associated with new DTCs.

ACTION:
Reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) using IDS release 63.13 and higher or 64.01 and higher. The [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]transmission [COLOR=blue !important]control[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] module (TCM) and fuel injector control module (FICM) , will automatically update if they are not at the latest calibration level. This new calibration is not included in the VCM 2009.11 DVD. Calibration files may also be obtained at MOTORCRAFT PARTS FOR FORD, LINCOLN OR MERCURY VEHICLES.

CALIBRATION CONTENT

Reprogram the PCM to the latest calibration following Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 418-01.

The PCM and FICM calibration update contains improvement actions to address the following symptoms:

2005 F-Super Duty 6.0L:

False DTC P0470 - Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 - Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]engine [COLOR=blue !important]oil[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR] temperature (EOT) conditions or high engine coolant temperature (ECT) are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]wrench[/COLOR][/COLOR] warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM vehicle power (VPWR) parameter identifier (PIDS) is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2006-2007 F-Super Duty 6.0L:

False DTC P0404 - EGR performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2005-2007 And 2009-2010 E-Series 6.0L:

False DTC P0470 Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 EGR Performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
2008 E-Series 6.0L:

False DTC P0470 - Exhaust pressure sensor A circuit fault due to a freezing condition.
False DTC P0404 - EGR performance due to a stuck turbocharger condition.
False P1260 induced during cranking due to low battery voltage.
Generic on-board diagnostics (OBD) improvements including; Mode 1, Mode 2, Mode 4 and J1699 OBD data test results as reported to the service tool.
Cooling loss protection - Revised engine protection strategy when an engine over-temperature condition is present. Vehicles updated with this service calibration will display higher temperature gauge readings when high EOT conditions or high ECT are encountered and may disable EGR operation to prevent possible EGR cooler damage.
Oil cooler efficiency monitor - DTC P012F stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when the oil coolers efficiency drops below a specified threshold for a given speed and vehicle load condition.
Turbocharger vane sweep strategy - Performs a sweep of the turbocharger vanes and unison ring during stationary idle conditions. Vane sweep can occur once per hour to help reduce turbocharger sticking
FICM low voltage detection monitor - DTC P0560 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when PCM VPWR PIDS is below 10.25V for 60 seconds or below 9V for 4 seconds.
Turbocharger over boost detection - DTC P0234 stored and wrench warning lamp illuminated when a turbocharger over boost condition occurs.
Previous released calibration content included in IDS software release 48.2 or higher for: 2003-2007 F-Super Duty, 2003-2005 Excursion and 2004-2008 E-Series 6.0L diesel equipped vehicles:

White smoke, lack of power, running rough condition after cold engine start up due to injector spool valve sticking internally during cold engine operation.
No start/hard start when accompanied with DTC P0611 (FICM Performance), P1378 (FICM System Voltage Low) and/or all eight (8) injector circuit codes.
The new calibration changes the frequency of injector spool valve shuttling under certain conditions and will sound differently from previously released versions.

WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage And Emissions Warranty Coverage
IMPORTANT: Warranty coverage limits/policies are not altered by a TSB. Warranty coverage limits are determined by the identified causal part.

OPERATION DESCRIPTION TIME
092403A 2004-2010 Econoline, 2003-2007 F-Super Duty, 2003-2005 Excursion 6.0L: Check For DTCs And Reprogram The PCM (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations) 0.6 Hr.

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BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
RECALEM 04
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Have you done the Blue Spring fuel pressure regulator upgrade? If not, do it. It is a cheap $30+ fix for the fuel pressure problem.
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