Upgrades and Aftermarket - 6.0L EngineUpgrading or adding OEM or aftermarket equipment to your 2003-Up Super Duty or Excursion with 6.0L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.0L Power Stroke engine.
Fine response Quad, You made some good points. thank you. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I really dont know either, I didnt mean to imply, but I did. I hope that the SCMT can clear all codes on the 6.0L. I guess it's wait and see...
Cheers
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~Hope the 6.0 is better now! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
Right now I am sure there are a lot of people that wished they could put one of the older programs back into their truck after a reflash. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Superchips will have their MicroTuner available for the 6.0L in September. Their programmer plugs into the diagnostic port and basically saves the stock program and then installs one of the new program (your choice between 2 or 3 levels). Nothing is left connected to the truck and you can revert back to stock quickly and easily. Additionally their programmer is a code reader. AND when you put the stock program back in, all codes are cleared.
I've used the SCMT previously with total satisfaction, so thats the one Im holding out for.
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I'm suspect that this may work very well and also might leave some sort of code that it has been done. This is complicated.
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Too much junk/toys to mention, ever changing due to too getting bored too quickly. I need a 10 step program!
Want to call? I'm in the book. Want to argue....First explain the square root of negative one....lol
I suspect you are right, the programmer type product has in the past and probably will on the 6.0 as well leave a footprint that a computer specialists can and will eventually find. They programmer products actually remove the Ford info and reinsert their own info, kind of like dumping your hard drive and reloading it. Soemone that's computer smart can tell what you've done. Currently Ford is, on a limited basis, sending YOUR pcm to one of their black hole locations, on a selected basis if they feel the need to hammer you on warranty. How they can send YOUR pcm and have something done to it without your expressed permission I don't know, but they are doing it. Last time I checked I OWN that darn box, I should be in control of it. They can tell if you have had a programmer on the truck at this black hole location, at the dealership they can't see it!!!.
From my conversatiosn with Edge and Bully Dog on their 6.0 boxes this is what I have been told. Both products are installed on the PCM at different locations, but they are technically plugging in to the same data port. Because the PLUG in location is post PCM there isn't a "foot print" to record or see. Technically nothing is being changed by programming in the PCM. They are basically receiving a signal from the PCM and then changing that signals value to get more timing, boost, pulse width or what they want. The PCM doesn't know any better as it's sending the correct info Ford wants it to send. Now, that leaves the question of sensors sending high or low value signals back to the PCM to be recoded. It will do this if the sensor goes over or below it's "rated" normal values, it will record high boost or fuel pressure or what have you in the PCM. Then again so does a normal truck if you push it hard enough or if it has a driveability problem etc, that's the reason the code "catching" function of the PCM is there. It allows Ford and their techs to fix your problem because they can see that the XZY is over boosted or under fueled or whatever your particular problem is. So just because they see high values is not a reason to immediately say "no warranty", but you have to be aware that it can happen with any product and any particular Ford dealer on any given day based on no particular cause or reasonable decision making information.
Now I hope that this information helps and doesn't just confuse the issue. I love my 6.0, no problems to speak of and it runs like a monster. I was without my "BOX" for about two weeks recently and the truck is a pig without it. You won't know that though until you get one on it and take it away though. Call me if you need help 866-455-7788.
Mark @ DPPI
By the way I can't wait to get the Edge MONITOR, next month. It's supposed to have EGT, Boost, de-fueling based on the EGT you set it to de-fuel at and electronic power level switching instead of the mechanical mini toggle switch that comes with the base module. I have analog gauges now and it will be interesting to see what the reading difference are if any.
Bikenut, can't answer that question but I would think so since you are working with a computer that needs juice to work. Quad can probably add more to this but I would think it would.
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Ok guys, I have a Ford tech, and a Ford rep in my shop as we speak. We have a WDS, NGS, and several other machine, a couple of which I don;t even know what they are. We are working our tails off trying to find fuel and or boost tables. WE are also trying to find anything that might lead someone to believe a truck has been altered. So far we are not having any luck.
If anyone knows how to find any of this stuff, please pm me and we will line up a phone call.
I doubt if they have some "top secret max boost/rpm hidden table". If anything, they have a "checksum" value stored in the header file with the VIN that verifies the memory has not been corrupted. But if you download ALL the variable area including the header and save it away, you should always be able to return it to stock. I'd make sure it copies the "history/error code" tables as well. I use a similiar product to tune Chevy motors, but it doesn't restore the error codes correctly, so there are some hidden codes that make it obvious that someone has reprogrammed the PCM before with a non-Chevy tool.
Just rambling...
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Well there are some flash values and other values that would tell you that a pcm has been tampered with, but that doesn't apply here.
There are all kinds of stories that say they can tell if you modify anything. I have always contradicted it, but by chance we had an opportunity to let some un-biased people take a hack at finding something. We use a sort of stand alone computer to send messages so it never really changes any code. So far I don't think that you can keep that sort of data.
OK, I am still going with the fact that if you remove our module and take it in for service, no one will ever know. After doing some pretty intense searching they cam up empty handed.
However I did learn some cool stuff, and now I have even more good ideas! Whether or not they come into anything?? Maybe!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
what if you were to buy a pcm from a wrecked 6.0L to use with your box and then replace the pcm with your original when you took it in for service? I know this may seem like quite a bit more money to run a box, but it would be worth it to me to preserve my warranty.
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O dpn't know if you would gain anything by swapping PCM's out? We haven't had any problems so far, we were just trying to verify some things that have been mentioned. If it makes you feel more comfortable then it might be a good idea, but I don't think it is needed.
Yes we have a store front in Ft. Worth. Give us a call and swing by! Also next Tues. or Wed. we will have some more cool stuff here!
Call ma nad get directions! We can even let you try one if you want!
Has anyone ever asked there dealerships about putting a chip in the truck? When I brought my truck in for the 1000 miles courtesy checkup, I was talking to one of the techs and he said Superchips has a programmer available for the 6.0L diesel, which the dealership will install and warranty. The tech told me his father has a V10 Ex with the Superchips programmer, and the dealership didn't have a problem with it. Don't know if there is a difference between diesels and gassers. Someone has also told me that Ford will warranty chips up to 75hp. I'm not sure if they are talking about only the Superships programmer and any manufacturer provided it isn't too radical.
I was thinking of chipping my truck, but was always worried about voiding the warranty. My brother who has a 7.3L, and his wife works for Ford, said its really up to the dealership on whether they hassle people for chipping their trucks.
Anyways, just giving my two cents. Has anyone heard anything similar to this.
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I too talked to my dealer about a chip/programmer. He told me they don't have a problem with them as long as they don't cause the problem you're bringing the truck in for. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]
We just had a guy come by and say he had to have his truck serviced and took the chip out. No codes. Not that Quad needed any backup or anything, but his chip doesn't leave any codes. We've run a few and had no problems with them either. That 70hp/110hp box is hot too. It works wonders on that 6.0, which is not a bad engine to start with.
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