I jumped ship...now what? - Page 2 - Diesel Forum

365turbodiesel · 11-09-2006, 09:49 AM

Well, that's open ended.

It depends on your (current) programs and how much propane you plan to run.

Are you running custom programs?
If so, you need to call the programmer.

a94cobra · 11-09-2006, 11:02 AM

I am running the street setting most of time. No pulling. I did get the Extreme setting, but I really didn't like it. Too much lag off idle. It wasn't smooth. It was almost like "drive it like you stole it" or putt around. No medium ground. And when floored, huge black smoke.

I would say those are custom programs.

diegojimc · 11-09-2006, 12:49 PM

Ethos Fuel Re-formulator 3-in-1 Product
I know I am knew to diesels but there are a lot go-go juices one can add to go-faster and burn clearer which in most cases go hand in hand.
I agree with the train of thought of: when extra power becomes too bulky or time consuming is it really worth it. Unless you are full out racer.
Ford has MP17A at $8 to $9 for 16oz. You use 4 oz’s per tank. Then there is the Ethos Fuel Re-formulator for Diesel or gas, burns 90 to 100% cleaner with 17 to 19%, mileage improvement, it extends engine life, & increases power. It cost more, $24 for 12 oz bottle and treats 120 gals. However, you gain way more then the average go-go juice. So having looked into propane. The questions are Connivance I can carry a case of Ethos for a trip cross-country and back in less space then a tank of propane. Easy of use- Pour into tank at gas station, no valves no meters on adjustments. Worry free/ hassle free operation, don’t’ have to worry about heat over pressurizing the tank or running out.

All considered and then some I ask you all, for all around improvement is it propane or will a good go-go juice work.

Black on Black 4x4 fx4 loaded with extras at the hospital getting a past due phyical evaluation.

a94cobra · 11-09-2006, 02:39 PM

I havn't had anyone who ran fuel additive ever claim an increase in MPG. None that I ever ran did.

I have a friend who has had a couple bad injectors on his 03, he is running something from the Ford house. I will ask if it is indeed MP17a. They told him it would help the injectors last longer among other things. He did say, he was running it on every tank and couldn't tell if there was a difference. Power seemed the same(of course he isn't a lead-foot) and mileage was the same.

diegojimc · 11-09-2006, 04:52 PM

If it from Ford its MP17a. Ford told me to run the MP17a to clear the smoking problem, it helped but didn't clear the problem I ran a good 800 -900 miles up and down I-5. it did run better but my gas mileage continued to get worse. I would think if injectors or other factors that mandated a repair were in play, nothing would work except a repair. On the other hand, if all is operating correctly to begin with, there should be improvements regardless of how one drives. If your friend is light footed he should at least notice that the vehicle feels healthier or seems to sound better or some other small difference. If not then the stuff he is using is not worth a second round.
I am old school that likes new and improved. In the late 60’s I put a vacuum operated water injection system on my 64 Harley everyone thought I was crazy but it worked, I knew it would because when I drove in the fog my engine purrrred felt stronger ran better. From there I changed it to liquid Nitro (not the gas Nitrous) everyone knew I was crazy, what a difference not a one time shot but a consistance improvement until I turned it off. When Ca. started regulating everything out of the market driving the cost beyond the pocket books of even the retailers I had to look for substitutes. Believe me there is a difference and you know your vehicle you will notice a difference with a good product. How additive would work in diesel you would know better then I, I'm just learning.
Should I count your comments to be in favor of propane?

a94cobra · 11-09-2006, 09:02 PM

I had a neighbor running propane, till he moved. Home built system, said he was trying to market it. Had a control box and all the safety stuff like the most kits. We was running a low dose and getting good gains in MPH loaded and unloaded. He was claiming 5mpg better. He pulled a gooseneck with alot of cargo.

At the time all I had was the 7.3 X. And couldn't find a reasonable priced tank setup. So I never ventured there. He was gonna hook me up cheap. Anyway. Now that I have a truck with room for a tank, he has moved. I found an awesome deal on a MSD setup. It's ordered and on the way. So I am gonna give that a shot.

I have had fast cars, and can pretty much tell when something is too much and fixing to break. I have used NOS too. Superchargers and turbos. I don't break much stuff. So I can be controlled using the propane setup. I ain't trying to break my $50k truck.

I have run all kinds of additives in all kinds of stuff. And usually can't tell they are even there. They are very few that I consider good products. I have used a few diesel additives and nothing seemed to make a difference. I use an additive for gelling when it gets real cold here. Not that Texas ever gets real cold. But that is about it.

I make my own Bio sometimes, when I ain't too busy. And that I can tell is a better fuel. Engine runs smoother and quieter, maybe even a tad peppier. Wished I had enough time to make it full time. Can't have a real job and the time to feed two diesels.

diegojimc · 11-09-2006, 10:14 PM

A94cobra you are right about there being only a few good products, I have tried several many I won’t buy again the really good one you must get from the track or a racing supplyer either way you will shell out big time fund ticket. I will try and find some of that Ethos Fuel Re- formulator. till then. after my truck gets out of the hospital I'll give the MP17a one more try and let you know how it works unless any one else wants to give it a try.
You all start’en to get my interest going here with the propane numbers your through’en out. I might consider propane if it can be mounted under bed to the frame in a safe position and refilled from a connecter under its own door. Do they make such a setup or is it another fabrication job? Other then the intake, exhaust and the programer that would come with the kit is ther any recommend internal/ external engine changes required?

incredilion · 11-10-2006, 12:03 AM

I just looked into the Ethos product, and found out some fairly bad stuff about it. http://www.fuelsaving.info/ethos.htm
Has it worked for anyone out there? If so, I'd be interested in it.

365turbodiesel · 11-10-2006, 01:49 AM

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I just looked into the Ethos product, and found out some fairly bad stuff about it. http://www.fuelsaving.info/ethos.htm
Has it worked for anyone out there? If so, I'd be interested in it.

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Sounds like more snake oil from that article.

diegojimc · 11-10-2006, 11:50 AM

Nice find regarding Ethos products- good read.

a94cobra · 11-11-2006, 01:02 AM

I thought I saw a refuel kit that placed the propane filler behind the license plate.

JimTJr · 11-11-2006, 08:03 AM

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I would be REALLY careful of the pane if you are set on using it. If not then as Ralph said I would moderate mileage with your foot.

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You'll be fine with the propane just use it with a tuner that has been tweaked for propane use. (Timing curve adjusted for propane). I like the Superchips Propane kit myself.

Tadd

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I really dont understand why someone would put pane on a BRAND NEW TRUCK! Especially with any warranty issues that may arise. Gauges , intake and exhaust would be enough for SOME Dealers to try to void it..
'pane is a "No brainer" for voiding the warranty.
But I am not here to flame,, or be flamed,,sorry.
Going back to the 444 forum I guess!! LOL
Just pop in here once in a while..
CONGRATS ON THE 07! Sounds sweet!

ADStryker · 11-11-2006, 10:03 AM

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I havn't had anyone who ran fuel additive ever claim an increase in MPG...

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LDL (Longer Diesel Life) claims up to 7% better mileage. I was told by another user of this product that his mileage continued to increase over several consecutive tanks while using the additive.

I've done two controlled tests with this stuff.
<ul type="square">[*]Same 90-mile highway route (early morning before dawn, when winds are low and calm)[*]Top up at same pump[*]Cruise set at 70 mph[*]Run the tank nearly dry, fill up and do a baseline run[*]Fill up again, add the LDL, and do the test run[/list]First test netted about a 1.5% increase in fuel economy. I ran the tank dry and then did a second test, which netted about a 2.5% increase in fuel economy. Breakeven at 2% occurs when diesel costs a little under $2/gal. 2.5% isn't dramatic by any means, but with a 16 mpg baseline to start from, it's another 0.4 mpg.

I didn't attempt to test in stop-and-go city driving, as there are just too many uncontrolled variables for a guy without a fuel-flow meter to account for.

a94cobra · 11-11-2006, 11:09 AM

Not to contradict your theory...but did you drive the same each trip? Driving style is what I am referring to. I am usually off by 1/2 mpg between different fillups. I can't ever drive the same apparently.

But that's just me. SO just curious how accurate you think the numbers are?

Then maybe a blind test. So you don't know which tank you put the additive in. One tends to baby the truck when they want a certain outcome.

Don't take this post wrong. Not trying to say anything. I have tried tests like this, and never get results that are very consistent.

ADStryker · 11-12-2006, 06:45 PM

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...but did you drive the same each trip? Driving style is what I am referring to...

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Identical highway circuit. Early morning before dawn when the wind is light. Treated circuit and untreated circuit are done back-to-back on the same morning. Cruise set at 70 mph. A/C set the same on both circuits. Everything as close to the same as I can get except one tank is treated and the other isn't. Traffic at that time of morning is light enough that driving style isn't a factor ... I'm not accelerating to pass people or slowing down because they're in my way. Cruise is set at 70 mph, so I'm going 70 mph.

I did two of these tests and got better mileage with the additive both times. I didn't attempt a mileage test in town exactly because of the "driving style" problem. Too many uncontrollable variables.

Two tests with slightly increased fuel economy in one truck aren't enough for me to proclaim that the additive definitely works, but it's promising enough for me to spend my coin on it for "long-term" testing. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]