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Old 07-30-2007, 11:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?


Looking to get a tuner from ID soon and was wondering if anyone out there has upgraded the stock tranny. I know back in my 7.3 days everyone was talking about sun coast, ats, and BTS. Is there any need to worry about a rebuild on the torque shift? I don't hear as much talk about it in the 6.0 forums. What do you think? And yes, I've read PLENTY about head gaskets!
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

Mine has held up to 8k miles thus far. And I drive my truck(s) like 9000lb rally cars [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

You have to consider that with the Torqueshift Ford fixed all the weaknesses they had with the E40D/4R100. Essentially this trans is just an outgrowth of those older 4-speed OD autos. However, like anything else if you run too much power through them they will eventually fail. I would say that with a tuner, exhaust, and air intake you are probably never going to have to worry about the trans. Step up to a bigger turbo, injectors, etc and then you probably want to consider having the trans built with better clutches and some vavlebody mods.
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

Good point..... So you think the only thing to really worry about fixing is the head gaskets and studs?
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

Yup. Change your fluid and filters religiously. You may want to shorten up the change intervsal too. Go from say the factory reccomendation of 25,000 to 20,000. These things use a lot of fluid and are double filtered. Make sure you use the right Mercon SP fluid, which is not interchangable with Mercon V or other fluid. Ford and their crazy transmission oils. I feel like I'm back in the 70s buying F-Type!
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

I have 42K on mine and have not been easy on it, all SCT tuned.
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

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Good point..... So you think the only thing to really worry about fixing is the head gaskets and studs?

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I would agree with this. My transmission shifts so much better after loading a tune from ID. night and day. I wish I could stud next week.
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

Keeping your Tranny cool will also be of great benefit to it's longevity. I once read that for every 20 degrees you can lower a tranny's normal temp, you can double it's life. Heat is a tranny's main enemy. A good quality accurate tranny temp guage is nice to have, easy to plumb and will tell you where the tranny temps are under any given circumstance. Mine runs 5 degrees either side of 150 and hits 160 - 165 when towing uphill in the Mountains... On my Bronco Rockcrawler, I can watch the Tranny Temp climb 30 degrees when the Torque Converter Unlocks, obviously not a good thing but at least I know it's happening...
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

Temperature means a lot, but shift overlap time means a lot too. The longer the clutches are slipping during a shift the faster they wear out. Tightening up the shifts, especially at WOT will improve the life of the clutches. At some point you get beyond the limits of the stock hardware and need more clutch apply area, larger pistons, valvebody mods, etc., but at a 100+ horse setting with no other major mods I don't think this should be a problem. This is a 31% increase in power, and the trans probably has a 50% safety margin built in. The bottom line is that the new 5R110 trans and the 4R100/E4OD that preceeded it are all very tough, and have only gotten beter with time. These are the C6s of the new age. Tough from the factory, and can be built to be super tough if needed.
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I've got a Suncoast tranny in mine. I went through 2 Ford trannies BUT I was running an Edge and a Bullydog. I put in the SCT when I got my Suncoast and haven't looked back since. The tranny with the Shift Pressure's set at 25% in 1-2 and 2-3 and 20% on everything else is nice. I don't know if I'd want to run a stock tranny that high though. It probably more than likely handle it but I'm sure it will defintely decrease it's life. I'd worry about the tranny when it dies. You'll probably kill the gaskets before the tranny. Lol...
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Re: Transmission longevity after 100+ hp tune?

That is an important fact. The 100HP extra is only half the equation. The other is how it gets applied. Some power adders totally disrespect the transmission and TC by not marshalling the power efficiently through the transmission. In fact, most do not offer truly integrated power and transfer of that power. 50 extra HP without trans control can do damage after enough time. On the other hand, a product that optimizes power through the trans can probably reach in excess of 450RWHP without having to mod the trans to take it.

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20k, Extreme Tune 122+. She pulls 12k with no problems. I don't mash the pedal from a dead stop though. The engine can't take it. Studding mine in a couple weeks. Mine is fine but the offer presented itself to me and I am taking advantage of it.
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