Upgrades and Aftermarket - 6.0L EngineUpgrading and adding aftermarket equipment to your 2003-Up Super Duty or Excursion with 6.0L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.0L Power Stroke engine.
I read a while back that someone was working on an adjustable control for the electronic radiator fan clutch on the 6.0? Has anyone come up w/ anything yet?
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'05 Excursion 6.0L with Air Lifts and Bilsteins, high idle mod., only 'tuner' is in the radio, towing an '00 HR Alumascape 31SKS with a Hensley.
When your towing 23000 lbs through the mountains it would be nice to turn the fan on at the bottom of the hill and have it stay on till the top instead of having it cycle w/ wild water temp swings up and down all the way up the hill. If your not towing big things then you probably wouldn't get it.
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When your towing 23000 lbs through the mountains it would be nice to turn the fan on at the bottom of the hill and have it stay on till the top instead of having it cycle w/ wild water temp swings up and down all the way up the hill. If your not towing big things then you probably wouldn't get it.
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What he said!
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So, you actually observe "wild water temp swings" when towing 23K "all the up the hill"? Seems to me leaving the fan on would drop the water temp beyond the requirements for the duty.
I don't tow what you do, but my 10K/31ft TT causes the fan to run, as required, when hot and/or towing all the way up the hill.
Just wondered what deficiency you see in the automatic function of the fan clutch.
When antilock brakes became widely available, a few cops and others were not happy because they 'knew how to pump their brakes". [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] Guess they felt they needed to 'do something' when nothing was required of them.
Good luck with your project and keep us posted.
Take Care
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'05 Excursion 6.0L with Air Lifts and Bilsteins, high idle mod., only 'tuner' is in the radio, towing an '00 HR Alumascape 31SKS with a Hensley.
Yes, I observe them on my Edge A2 and my Autometer gauge.I have 8 Autometer gauges and the A2 w/ all the factory readings. ( because I found out a long time ago the factory "gauges" are useless) The temps will swing to 230 when the fan fully engages, the temps will continue to rise to into the 240s even when I only have the throttle at 25% and we are slowing to 25mph, and then it will drop quickly to 218 to 220 when the fan disengages or actually goes into medium engagement, and the water begins to rise again. If I engage the fan, the thermostat (or coolant flow control valve)should regulate the flow to keep the temps around 218,like when you are coasting down the back side, the coolant doesn't just cool down to ambient. The fan on these trucks works good, I just wish it would come on a little sooner and stay on a little longer. I actually pay attention to my gauges when I drive, and in my admitted extreme situation, I don't think Ford designed the computer controls for me, they designed them to work for the norm,like your situation where I'm sure the fan works fine.
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When your towing 23000 lbs through the mountains it would be nice to turn the fan on at the bottom of the hill and have it stay on till the top instead of having it cycle w/ wild water temp swings up and down all the way up the hill. If your not towing big things then you probably wouldn't get it.
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Don't you understand that the engine temperature (and your temperature swings) is modulated by the thermostats? I am not suggesting that having the fan ramped up continuously would be a bad thing to do but the thermostats will still open and close in reaction to the coolant temperature. The more I think about this, having the fan ramped up like that might over cool the coolant and accentuate the temperature swings. Ideally, finding the correct balance between engine load, coolant flow and coolant heat exchange would reduce drastic fluctuations. That is probably next to impossible to do on an automotive application therefore I suggest that despite being annoying, the system is operating as it should and leaving it as is would likely be the best thing. If the truck is not over heating then why mess with it? I know somebody around here has specific expertise in this subject... perhaps he could chime in.
'Vistronic Fan Clutch' brings up more results on a Google search, including Borg Warners web site, who I think may make the unit.
I personally like the sweet sound of the fan ramping up, compared to my first towing trip with cut clutch harness wires and overheating. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
By the way, I thought it was Viscotronic. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
Take Care All.
edit: Borg Warner calls them 'Visctronic'.
Take Care
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'05 Excursion 6.0L with Air Lifts and Bilsteins, high idle mod., only 'tuner' is in the radio, towing an '00 HR Alumascape 31SKS with a Hensley.
Here's BW's web site. May they can help you with turning their fan on manually.
Take Care
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'05 Excursion 6.0L with Air Lifts and Bilsteins, high idle mod., only 'tuner' is in the radio, towing an '00 HR Alumascape 31SKS with a Hensley.
Yes, I do know how a thermostat works. In the winter when your doing 75mph down the highway and there is -10deg air being forced through the radiator, do you think it's getting over cooled? The thermostat regulates the flow to maintain a predetermined temp in the engine. Now if your driving up a mountain in 110 deg heat and the fan is on all the time pulling 110 deg air through the radiator, do you think it will over cool the engine? No, the thermostat should find a flow rate to control the temp in the engine.
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Borg warner may make the fan clutch but I don't think they make the computer controls for it. That would be in the Ford PCM. I was hoping some already did all the testing for me and figured out how to engage the fan w/ the proper voltage or what ever signal Ford uses, and not confuse the computer so that it sends a trouble code. I understand this clutch has a feedback sensor to tell the computer what the fan is doing. I can and will do the testing myself if I have to, but I thought I read that someone was already working on a control that he was going to sell and save me the trouble. Also, company's Like Borg warner usually don't give guys like me this kind of information. They save that for guys like Ford and GM that are buying millions of fan clutches. Thanks
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'Vistronic Fan Clutch' brings up more results on a Google search, including Borg Warners web site, who I think may make the unit.
I personally like the sweet sound of the fan ramping up, compared to my first towing trip with cut clutch harness wires and overheating. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
By the way, I thought it was Viscotronic. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
Take Care All.
edit: Borg Warner calls them 'Visctronic'.
Take Care
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You are actually correct... I went back and peeked at the service manual and it said Visctronic. I could swear I read Visconic on the parts boxes. I also need to stop posting late at night! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] My mistake guys.
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Now if your driving up a mountain in 110 deg heat and the fan is on all the time pulling 110 deg air through the radiator, do you think it will over cool the engine? No, the thermostat should find a flow rate to control the temp in the engine.
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No, I meant the coolant, heres where I was going with this; having the cooling fan on constantly more would improve cooling by reducing the coolant temperature in the radiator more. When the t-stat opens and that cooler coolant circulates into the engine, the t-stats shut again. That is what is causing the wild fluctuatios, or, is it the fact that the Visctronic fan clutch can be slow to reacting to the command to ramp up? I agree that the latter is probably having the greater affect.
Like I said, I shouldn't post late at night. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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It is that the fan is slow to react. The temps go up more quickly than the fan can control. Once it comes on full at 230-232, it's already a little late.
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