Upgrades and Aftermarket - 6.0L EngineUpgrading and adding aftermarket equipment to your 2003-Up Super Duty or Excursion with 6.0L Power Stroke diesel engine. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.0L Power Stroke engine.
I've heard up to 700hp and I don't know how much tq.
Why is it that a Cummins 6 cylinder can get 1500hp and a Ford V8 can't do more than 700hp. I don't get it. Duramax can get great power over a Ford too? What gives?
Finally, what kind of money does it take to build a monster motor? Then if it's professionally done, is it reliable?
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03' F350, 6.0, Crew Cab, Six inch lift, Amp Power Steps, Jimmie Jammers. Looking for help and advise to safely upgrade.
86' 944 Turbo. 4cyl, pushin'600hp. Now Goin' for 700hp! 194mph top speed. New custom tranny on the way to get me sub 4 sec. 0-60, top speed of 230mph and about 40mpg all at the same time!
04' 760li. V12, 443hp, Matching 22' wheels on adjustable coilovers, suede headliner, fridge in between reare seats, over 750 functions. Still don't know them all yet. For Sale! Buyin' a diesel car.
The main issue with Powerstroke's is the fuel system. We have discrete injectors. They and a small piston and chamber and "shoot" their load. Then they have to re-load with fuel before they can shoot again. Cummins' and Duramax's use common rail fuel systems. That means they have continuous fuel and you can just leave the injector "open" longer and get a bunch of fuel. That is the main issue.
There are several "over 700RWHP" 6.0's out there now, and one or two approaching the 1000 mark. As far as cost goes, to do it right, it is not that much more to build a 6.0 as it is to do a Cummins, however, the parts are cheaper for a Cummins. Hard to say the exact cost, but if you wanted 700HP at the wheels with reliability, $25K for a 6.0 would probably be about right, and maybe you could do it for $15-20K for a Cummins. Cheaper, but still not cheap.
I know someone will hop on here and say all you need on a Cummins is fuel and a tuner, but trust me, metal is metal. You will break connecting rods just as easy in a Cummins if you make big power. Like I said, the injection system is the main difference. You still need a stronger bottom end in both cases, still need a built trans/TC, still need head studs, still need a bigger turbo, etc. etc.
Ralph
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Black 2003 F350 DRW (almost nothing stock)
Other rides:
Black 2006 SRT8 300C (Mopar exhaust and CAI)
Black 2008 SRT8 Jeep (Mopar exhaust and CAI)
Black 2008 Mercedes E550 4MATIC
Thanks Ralph, sounds like you own or run a shop that does this kind of work. Also read your 6L shootout in your sig. Really great comparisons. I just want to know if I have the right truck. I love it but something tells me I'm going to go nuts with the motor in my truck as I did with my car. Started out stock, now I'm pushin' 700hp out of a 4 cylinder.
What about reliability. Any maker better than others when modded?
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03' F350, 6.0, Crew Cab, Six inch lift, Amp Power Steps, Jimmie Jammers. Looking for help and advise to safely upgrade.
86' 944 Turbo. 4cyl, pushin'600hp. Now Goin' for 700hp! 194mph top speed. New custom tranny on the way to get me sub 4 sec. 0-60, top speed of 230mph and about 40mpg all at the same time!
04' 760li. V12, 443hp, Matching 22' wheels on adjustable coilovers, suede headliner, fridge in between reare seats, over 750 functions. Still don't know them all yet. For Sale! Buyin' a diesel car.
I would go with a Cummins if you want the cheapest, shortest path. Just remember it will still cost something. There are more than a few Cummins conversions. That is, the suspension and look of the Ford is superior, and what these guys do is take out the PSD and replace it with a Cummins. There is an 1800HP sled puller in last month's Diesel Power magazine like this. Ford Powerstroke body with a Cummins engine.
Ralph
ps, no I don't have a shop, but i have done a lot with these trucks.
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Black 2003 F350 DRW (almost nothing stock)
Other rides:
Black 2006 SRT8 300C (Mopar exhaust and CAI)
Black 2008 SRT8 Jeep (Mopar exhaust and CAI)
Black 2008 Mercedes E550 4MATIC
If you do decide to go the Cummins swap route, look at DESTROKED: Cummins Conversions They have everything you need to make it look stock and not Frankenstein'd. This is what I'm doing with mine, as soon as the warranty is up. I've owned several Dodges, and my opinion is that their powerplants are superior to both Ford and Chevrolet, but what made me buy this F350 was the price and the interior; in that respect, Ford blows Dodge out of the water in comfort. There's a guy here in San Angelo who has already destroked his F350 King Ranch...I had to look twice, when I saw the Cummins badges on it. Right now, I'm spending $600/mo. on fuel, and I'm babying it at 55MPH and getting 10.5MPG...the Cummins will get you at least 7MPG more.
My $.02
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SSG Fred Lynes
2004 F-350 CC DRW
Oxford White/Arizona Beige Metallic
King Ranch Interior
Herrin Hauler Package
Reman'd 6.0L @ 43,956 miles
Remand'd turbo @54,814 miles
5R110 Torqshift
4.10 LSD
Yeah, fuel system is the problem on the Fords. You can just get big power out of a Cummins for waaaaaaay cheaper than the Power Stroke. It's no problem to take a single charger Cummins on straight #2 and get 800 hp. For a Power Stroke to do that you'd need twin chargers and/or spray.
It would be pricey but a lot cheaper than a Cummins swap.
From what I've heard that's part of the problem, it really isn't that much cheaper than a Cummins swap. But rumor is there will be a common rail available for the 7.3s soon.
On a fun note, though, if you did do the Cummins swap, you'd have the last laugh when a Dodge guy yells "I'd rather be Cummin than Strokin!" or "Cummins guys keep it straight, the others go both ways!". The look on his face, when you popped the hood, would be one of those Mastercard priceless moments.
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SSG Fred Lynes
2004 F-350 CC DRW
Oxford White/Arizona Beige Metallic
King Ranch Interior
Herrin Hauler Package
Reman'd 6.0L @ 43,956 miles
Remand'd turbo @54,814 miles
5R110 Torqshift
4.10 LSD
If you do decide to go the Cummins swap route, look at DESTROKED: Cummins Conversions They have everything you need to make it look stock and not Frankenstein'd. This is what I'm doing with mine, as soon as the warranty is up. I've owned several Dodges, and my opinion is that their powerplants are superior to both Ford and Chevrolet, but what made me buy this F350 was the price and the interior; in that respect, Ford blows Dodge out of the water in comfort. There's a guy here in San Angelo who has already destroked his F350 King Ranch...I had to look twice, when I saw the Cummins badges on it. Right now, I'm spending $600/mo. on fuel, and I'm babying it at 55MPH and getting 10.5MPG...the Cummins will get you at least 7MPG more.
My $.02
10.5 mpg that is horrific. I get 20 mpg with my f350 if I drive it 60, and baby it. I also have 373s for gears though. The cummins does get better mpg on average I think.
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Ford f350 6.0 4x4. 4" silverline turbo back, cold air intake, six speed manual tranny.
However much it costs to do the conversion, its a heck of alot cheaper than the modifications to make a Dodge NOT look, feel, and ride like a POS.
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07 F350 XL FX4 std cab 8' bed
4" MBRP turbo back straight piped
47 gal transfer tank
Warn 16.5 ti 16,500 lb winch, semi hidden winch mount
Skyjacker 2.5 inch level
305/65/17 BFG AT on black 17x9 ProComp 7005
Recon White Lighting
Alpine head unit, 4 channel MTX Blue Thunder amp, Polk component MOMOs up front, Infinity Refrence in back, Alpine MRP450 powering 10" Kicker CompVR
I agree with bosefes. Why don't they just make a common rail system for our trucks? Thanks Strokin for the link. I'll check it out.
Now what about reliablility of the motors, Cummins, Ford, Chevy, after they're beefed up?
As far as fuel, I already ordered a biopro 190. Be here in a few weeks. .70 a gallon after that!
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03' F350, 6.0, Crew Cab, Six inch lift, Amp Power Steps, Jimmie Jammers. Looking for help and advise to safely upgrade.
86' 944 Turbo. 4cyl, pushin'600hp. Now Goin' for 700hp! 194mph top speed. New custom tranny on the way to get me sub 4 sec. 0-60, top speed of 230mph and about 40mpg all at the same time!
04' 760li. V12, 443hp, Matching 22' wheels on adjustable coilovers, suede headliner, fridge in between reare seats, over 750 functions. Still don't know them all yet. For Sale! Buyin' a diesel car.
As far as fuel, I already ordered a biopro 190. Be here in a few weeks. .70 a gallon after that!
So you start a thread about Horsepower and "why can't the Powerstroke make more". Then you make a post like this? WOW!!! So do you want power or do you want cheap? The power is available if you want to open up your pocket books. It is not cheap to make over 700hp with any brand. I also know that for $15,000 I can buy a 800hp 6.0 fully built by Hypermax. You will spend more than that building a D-max or Cummins to the same HP level.
Just on thing to think about is is you want big power out of a common rail you need to buy a twin kit, $3,000.
Then you need to drop another $1500 on injectors. So spending $5,000 on a set of 6.0 injectors that will make 700+ hp is not expensive at all. All motors you will need to put rods in. With the other brands you will need to do head work and buy new cams, this will easily of save the extra $500 you spent on the injectors and leave you money to put fuel in with. You will have to build that tranny on all brands. All brands will need head studs. All brands will need a lift pump (like a FASS) so this is equal. All brands will need turbo upgrades. All brands need exhaust, intake and programming. Wait now, I forgot, it is cheaper to build what brand again? Glad I have a 6.0 and not a 7.3 then I would have had to spend that money I saved on the cam to buy a Dual HPOP system!
Jeremy
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'04 F250 Harley Crew Cab, 4x4, black over grey,
Black Widow Diesel 6.0 Twin Turbos
Hypermax custom injectors, rods and alot more.
TURBONETICS Turbos
SCT Custom Tuning by Innovative Diesel.
10.5 mpg that is horrific. I get 20 mpg with my f350 if I drive it 60, and baby it. I also have 373s for gears though. The cummins does get better mpg on average I think.
I knew that going from a Dodge to Ford that my MPG would drop, but never in my wildest dreams did I think it would drop this much. The motor in this thing is reman'd, because the original motor seized at 41,000 miles. After they put the new motor in, the turbo grenaded a week later. This 6.0 is sluggish in the morning, and I'm starting to get light puffs of black smoke. Truck now has about 75,000 miles.
That 10.5MPG is babying it below 2000 RPM, at around 60MPH. BTW, my speedo is off by 2.5MPH...it reads faster than what the actual speed is.
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SSG Fred Lynes
2004 F-350 CC DRW
Oxford White/Arizona Beige Metallic
King Ranch Interior
Herrin Hauler Package
Reman'd 6.0L @ 43,956 miles
Remand'd turbo @54,814 miles
5R110 Torqshift
4.10 LSD
I knew that going from a Dodge to Ford that my MPG would drop, but never in my wildest dreams did I think it would drop this much. The motor in this thing is reman'd, because the original motor seized at 41,000 miles. After they put the new motor in, the turbo grenaded a week later. This 6.0 is sluggish in the morning, and I'm starting to get light puffs of black smoke. Truck now has about 75,000 miles.
That 10.5MPG is babying it below 2000 RPM, at around 60MPH. BTW, my speedo is off by 2.5MPH...it reads faster than what the actual speed is.
Towing around 6500 lbs. all week I averaged about 11.75 mpg on my 6.0.
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