Just read something about a company called Bluegrass something or other where you mix diesel with WMO with some type of bead media, pump it thru a filter and put it into your tank. Anybody have any experience with this?? I'm considering mixing WMO 50/50 with diesel and filtering it down thru a 1 micron filter and running it like that. Any thoughts, ideas, input, etc.?? The beads are supposed to remove water and acids.
I will be using my own used oil or will collect from sources where I know they will not get contaminated with coolant.
Any input would be appreciated.
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The beads are likely a form of zeolite, they will work but would need recharged by drying at high temp.
A lot of us just run 85% WMO to 15% RUG (gasoline), mix well and let sit a day or two, the gas weakens the surfactant bonds in the oil and releases "slime" which is dirt and water. Skim the clean oil off the top and run it through filters finishing with a quality absolute rated 3-5 micron filter.
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With a centrifuge you most likely can process all in one day, still waiting a day or two doesn't hurt.
I believe that the ethanol in the gasoline does combine with the water. The detergents in motor oil are surfactants sometimes referred to as emulsifying agents. These allow water, oil and dirt to emulsify into a homogenous mix. The addition of a thin solvent such as RUG weakens these bonds in my opinion causing the water and some of the dirt to fall out of suspension. The rest of the dirt is caught by the filters.
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1986 F350 Crew Cab 2wd SRW. 1991 7.3 IDI, T-19 4spd Sterling 10.25 3.55, 12" HD clutch. A Banks waste gated turbo. 5" cut down Peterbilt stack. Midwest rebuilt IP turned up. AC Delco 6.5 GM 12V GP's, working great. Running W85 high performance zero-gel diesel! D60 front conversion, 4wd conversion, dually conversion, and steel flatbed conversion now underway. Man those frame rivets are a pain!
1966 Porsche 911. 1983 911 SC engine with modified Zenith carbs, headers, 911S brakes, custom fuel rails, MSD 6al box with timing computer, 1974 IROC body kit. 1850lbs, 200rwhp, total blast to drive.
ive talked to a few guys about the ethanol and i actually beleive it is helping us bc ethanol is alcohol and alcohol attracts water to itself and then since the water is heavier they should fall to the bottom together and you have good water free W85
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I don't put to much faith in the bluegrass system. I think anyone could make the same thing and burn oil safely. Not sure what the MAGIC BEADS are but you can get by without them and still make clean fuel out of your oil. Just remember the cleaner the oil the better the fuel.
Ive just been looking at this magic beads stuff that they say is so hard to get hold of and the rest of the crap and it looks to me like its Sodium Polyacrylate once i have done a bit of searching on the net which is found in nappies so not so hard to get hold of or costly then i guess
Why aren't we doing some experimenting with this stuff. Surely we could try small batches. If it will really remove water and antifreeze it would be worth it to run in our "finished" product just before we put it in the fuel tank.
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Why aren't we doing some experimenting with this stuff. Surely we could try small batches. If it will really remove water and antifreeze it would be worth it to run in our "finished" product just before we put it in the fuel tank.
I completely agree If this stuff is reasonable to obtain and works as they claim (Removing water antifreeze etc.) This stuff could be great cheap insurance to have in our finished tank. Where can we get some to experiment with?
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WMO Blender.
To me, those beads seem like snake oil. But I have only watched u-tube videos of them. Why would one not just use a goldenrod water separator filter. Goldenrod Fuel Tank Filter
This would be after a settling time or a good garentee of quality oil to begin with. I have the water block element for the housing on my setup prior to entering the truck.
p.s. this tread was a year and a half old. But it is nice to get these conversations going again when needed.
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I use a Parker filter cart for cleaning WMO and collection, Always has 40/10 micron filters and moves 15 gallons in 60 seconds, so processing is quick.
Gasoline is the best to mix, old smelly varnish boat gas works the best, ethanol is fine also, I dont like mixing diesel cause it cost to much and you really dont need it.
Hit up motorcycle shops they always have thinned oil diluted with gas in the collection tanks.
Javier
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Evans NPG coolant.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
I use a Parker filter cart for cleaning WMO and collection, Always has 40/10 micron filters and moves 15 gallons in 60 seconds, so processing is quick.
Gasoline is the best to mix, old smelly varnish boat gas works the best, ethanol is fine also, I dont like mixing diesel cause it cost to much and you really dont need it.
Javier
Javier, a couple of questions about the filter cart.
Do you mix RUG first and then filter or filter then mix the RUG?
How much WMO can you run through the filters before replacing cartridges?
How does the cart perform with water contaminated oil?
How much are cartridges?
I am on the edge of buying a centrifuge, but the parker cart looks very convenient.
Thanks
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Javier, a couple of questions about the filter cart.
Do you mix RUG first and then filter or filter then mix the RUG?
How much WMO can you run through the filters before replacing cartridges?
How does the cart perform with water contaminated oil?
How much are cartridges?
I am on the edge of buying a centrifuge, but the parker cart looks very convenient.
Thanks
I always mix gas at collection/storage and as long as some gas is in the mix it is fine, does not have to be exact, After filtration or during I add a bit more gas to thin it as necessary.
I do have an upflow processor that I use along with the filter cart.
The filter cart is used after an upflow to recirculate properly.
Filters can last 10 gallons or 10,000 gallons all depends how clean your oil is.
Cartriges are around $50 a piece or cheaper if you search around a bit.
I dont collect water so I dont deal with those issues, dont suck of the bottom of unknown drums of WMO.
Happy hunting for a filter cart, I got mine at a steal for around $900 shipped to me. Cost new is $2800
Javier
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1988 F250 dually All New 7.3 IDI, Banks Sidewinder.
C-6 with GearVendors overdrive 3.55 ring gear Synthetic SAE 10W-30/SAE 30 Heavy-Duty Motor Oil,
Evans NPG coolant.
AMSOIL ATF in the transmission, AMSOIL gear oil in the diff.
20MPG city 25/28 hwy
Ive just been looking at this magic beads stuff that they say is so hard to get hold of and the rest of the crap and it looks to me like its Sodium Polyacrylate once i have done a bit of searching on the net which is found in nappies so not so hard to get hold of or costly then i guess
Check out "Anhydrous Zeolite A" used in the laundry detergent market, and Zeolite Cat Litter.
The stuff is cheap! You really don't need the likes of Blu?grass to repackage it for you
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