Hey folks
I dont hang around in this forum much, but I have been reading around for a while about Straight Vegetable Oil and how well it can work with IDI engines.
Apparently, you can premix diesel and Waste Vegetable Oil and Diesel, and run it in the tank without preheating (in temps above say, 60*) and gave $$ on fuel, pollute less, etc.
I dont know if anyone is interested, but there is a character at another forum that has an IDI, and is quite the advocate for this.
The source for the oil is restaraunts. Theyll give it away.
The exhaust smells something like french fries.....
Last I heard from friends in the resturant business, they have contracts to SELL the used oil to recyclers.... I'd be supprised if any would give it away...
If they did, might be an iteresting idea, depending on how much trouble the mixing is....
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I am considering it, but I use my IDI in the winter primarily, not the warm weather. My other diesel is a direct injection engine and they are not favored for veggie. I did read a report yesterday that said adding 2% veggie is very good for bringing up the lubricity of the low sulfur fuels these days. So adding some veggie oil would be very good for your engine. I may slip over to Costco next week....
Rod
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'90 Ford L8000 6 cyl diesel 5sp w/2sp rear rollback w/knuckleboom crane 350K, 32K GVW
'98 International 4700 Crew Cab rollback w/ DT466 engine (turbo), 6+1 speed tranny, 535K mi.,
'84 GMC Brigadeer w/ 671 Detroit & Holmes 750 wrecker,
'00 GMC Safari AWD stock
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Ya, I have always heard that restaurants are charged for oil disposal. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I am working on finding a source for oil. Ill talk to them and see how they do it.
I really do not know much about blends and cold temps without heaters. If you have a block heater, Ive heard that you can start up in temps as low as 30. If you have a tank heater, then you should be good to go at lower temps than that. Like you said, even a gallon of WVO per tank (premixed) offers benefits in lubricity, emissions, and $$ savings....(not much)
MannyTranny, I do not post here often but I do look in frequently. I have been very interested in running vegi oil but have yet to try it.
I have access to all the oil I can haul away. I have a scheme to make a 100 gallon tank in my truck using a tank I have along with a smaller tank for preheat and a small boat heat exchanger hooked into the heater system. I have a 250 gallon storage tank at home and will use a series of hot tub filters after screening the oil for chunks. Then into the truck tank. There is some info on running used vegi oil around on the net but I am leary of much that I read so I would like some honest results from folks who have done this with their Fords.
Bullwnkl.
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Thats the other board that I have been reading for this type of stuff.
If youve got the means for a good source of oil, I would say go for it!
If you premix the diesel and the WVO, you should be fine until you experience hard starting conditions. Then, just use more diesel, or an additive.
My dad had an old 6.9 IDI with dual tanks. That would have been an awesome setup for this type of stuff. It comes with the conversion built in! When did Ford stop putting in the dual tank setup?
...As you say, that is "in the tank" temperature. In winter, I have started and run my truck down into the teens (~17*F) with NO problems. Because I loop my return line (see my sig for details), my fuel warms up with the engine - probably between 100*F and 120*F, but I have never put a thermometer on it. Anyway, point is that after running for a short time (5 minutes max) fuel in the loop is warmer and viscosity is going DOWN!
Good Vegging and God Bless!!
15,000 veggie/blend miles and counting!
Kugel
1991 Ford F350 7.3LNA Diesel ZF5/5-speed tranny: Currently running unheated 85/15 WVO/RUG Blend [WVO - 5 micron prefiltered and 87 Octane Gasoline Mix] + Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement 4 point Cetane Booster; removed mechanical lift pump, added single electric fuel "push" pump, back near tanks; looped IJP return line back to Fuel Filter inlet; Injector return lines still go to stock selector valve and tanks; Fuel Filter Air Bleed tees back into Injector return line. So far, she's running GREAT!!
manny--that one person was mixing GASOLINE for a winter blend---DONT DO IT!!!!! not unless you like to spring for a rebuilt ip--cause it will screw it up!!!!
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I read that you need to mix 1g of gas with 10g of oil. You need to get it mixed in real good, so that youll never be running on seperated gas. Adding gas only serves to thin the WVO, so that it is easier to get moving in cold temps. I wouldnt do it if it was over 40*.
IIRC, he even read in his owners manual that it is an acceptable practice to cut diesel and gas for a winter blend when it gets REAL cold.
When I do the old Volvo, Ill just mix diesel and WVO...Apparently the tank is not good enough. You need more agitation....
Have a good one. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]
Hmm...VERY interesting. Do you currently have a veggie oil setup on your truck?
Let me know, because I want to try this for sure. Even if it doesn't save a TON, it will be a conversation piece for sure. My uncle is an engineer at Navistar, so he will be very intrigued if I get this setup going. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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--motor/trans sold--
cut it with kerosene--yes,--gas--since you dont believe--go ahead--its your ip--friend of mine that does dzl work and rebuilds all sorts of pumps says he likes people that use gas----
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94 f250 idi turbo sc e4od alum fac rims 149,289 --dana 60 frt with posi--10.25 rear w/posi--shouldnt get stuck!! ats turbo 3" parts on--what a diff from stock turbo!!!!!--- also 96 F250 with 305,000 is fixed!!-- 7.3 rattler-also 85 6.9-needs new engine!! tired!!
I've ran my truck 95% of time on 100% WVO (Waste) for the last year and a half with no symptoms of ill effects. I pull a 8k fifth wheel camper. I drove 1300 mile once thru the mountains of WV with the camper and 2200 mile solo out west and a lot of mini trips camping.
All together I've ran close to 1,000 gal. thru the truck. I've followed the blending threads in the other forum and so far I'm not sure it's how I would choose to go but good for those who are willing to experiment!
I heat mine to around 150 degrees using waste engine/coolant heat.
My truck is '88 non-turbo, 5 speed with 155k miles. As far as I know the IP and injectors are original?? I'm selling the truck to my brother-in-law since I just bought a '91 F-350 dually that will be converted in the next few days.
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I cannot do it in the Duramax, because it is a DI engine. I surely wouldnt want to be the first either. For some reason, WVO and IDI's get along nicely.
When you add gas to the WVO, you are adding maybe 10% by volume, if that. And MIXING it until it will not seperate. And it would be unnecessary if you have means to heat the tank like DTF just said.
DTF - where are you getting your oil? What kind of oil is it? How are you procesing it for your truck?
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