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. If you run a synthetic with Ester in the base, then Auto-RX won't likely add any cleaning, as it's also based on an Ester synthetic. Esters are natural cleaners, in fact thats why Bio-Diesel makes such a good solvent. this learned from BITOG BTW
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That is not correct. Auto-rx is based on NATURAL esters that even synthetics cannot compete on. Also in building a balanced oil, the level of esthers in many synthetics with a certain level of cleaning ability is gonna be alot lower then any oil with the auto-rx.
What is true is that when using auto-rx you should use a dino oil to enhance its cleaning ability since you will not have competing esthers fighting for metal surface space allowing a faster and more complete clean with the auto-rx. After the intial treatment and the following flush phase, a person can go back to synthetics for continued maintenance cleaning.
If you look over the BITOG site several people have gain a cleaner engine using auto-rx even after long synthetic use. This has been evidenced by dissected oil filters and observations thru the oil filler hole. So I do stand by the auto-rx recommendation for engines even with regular synthetic oil use.
T
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2000 CC SRW 6 spd silver, BB turbo, AFE filter cone, intank mod, 4" Magnaflow SS exhaust, DP tuner 6 position chip, Custom Bypass filtering, currently down awaiting newer injectors, Bridgestone Revo's, was running on WVO
1999 Early Lariat CC SRW Green/Brown with BB turbo and newer intake, auto with custom built trans and 5r110 TC, late model radiator and soon to be installed 6.0 trans cooler, AFE intake filter cone, 4" Aluminized exhaust, rotella ELC coolant,DP tuner 3 position chip,Bridgestone Revo's.
TBN is the Acronym for Total Base Number. It essentially is the amount of acid fighting strength that is available in the oil. Generically speaking per high school science class, "Bases" neutralize Acids.
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Thanks, Hammer. Do you measure the TBN of the oil or just put in additives to make sure it is base? Also, bases can be corrosive like acids. Lye is one of the better known bases. So, I guess the question is why would anyone go to the trouble and expense of making homebrew biodiesel if wvo has no deleterious effect on an engine?
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Truck 1: 1985 F350 dually 4WD 6.9 diesel crew cab auto with 83k original miles. C6 trans, 4.10 rear end. Mods are Banks Turbo, US Gear overdrive, 45gal rear tank, hydroboost brakes, additional leaf springs all around, Hellwig airbags, rear sway bar, GM glowplug controller, fuel Koalescer. 235/85 R16 Michelin XB Rib radials. 11ft.6in Vacationeer cabover camper, TorkLift tiedowns.
Truck 2: 1988 F250 7.3, C6 auto, 2WD w/3.55 limited slip rear axle, Banks Sidewinder Turbo, Gear Vendors overdrive, Utility box, hydraulic lift gate, lumber rack.
Auto: 1987 MBZ 300D Turbo 3.0 Liter 6 cylinder engine. 205K miles. Working on all the "little things" that previous owner neglected. Putting in wvo tank.
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Do you measure the TBN of the oil or just put in additives to make sure it is base? Also, bases can be corrosive like acids. Lye is one of the better known bases. So, I guess the question is why would anyone go to the trouble and expense of making homebrew biodiesel if wvo has no deleterious effect on an engine?
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You measure the TBN in an oil analysis or some disposable test strips. Engines have a tendency to form acids so the oil is designed to counterbalance this tendency with SAFE ALKALINE adds. The acids present more of a corrosive influence in the engine enviroment then the TBN adds- hence the addition of them to counteract the acids that form.
People make biodiesel because it generally does not require any engine additions to run while WVO has to be heated over 120 degrees to operate correctly.
T
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2000 CC SRW 6 spd silver, BB turbo, AFE filter cone, intank mod, 4" Magnaflow SS exhaust, DP tuner 6 position chip, Custom Bypass filtering, currently down awaiting newer injectors, Bridgestone Revo's, was running on WVO
1999 Early Lariat CC SRW Green/Brown with BB turbo and newer intake, auto with custom built trans and 5r110 TC, late model radiator and soon to be installed 6.0 trans cooler, AFE intake filter cone, 4" Aluminized exhaust, rotella ELC coolant,DP tuner 3 position chip,Bridgestone Revo's.
TBN is the Acronym for Total Base Number. It essentially is the amount of acid fighting strength that is available in the oil. Generically speaking per high school science class, "Bases" neutralize Acids.
Hammer
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Thanks, Hammer. Do you measure the TBN of the oil or just put in additives to make sure it is base? Also, bases can be corrosive like acids. Lye is one of the better known bases. So, I guess the question is why would anyone go to the trouble and expense of making homebrew biodiesel if wvo has no deleterious effect on an engine?
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You measure the TBN of the oil.
I can't really answer the second question because I am not real "heavy" on the biodiesel vs. WVO thing.
Bio-Diesel is a "fill-er up and roll" fuel. You do all the work outside the vehicle.
WVO on the other hand, you have to modify the vehicle to run two fuels. Start and stop on either Dino or Bio diesel, heat the WVO, then switch over.
If you accidentally shut down on WVO and let it sit, you could have some real starting problems the next morning.
Bio-D does not require vehicle modification, can be mixed with regualr diesel, so only need one fuel tank, and you dont have to worry about shutting down on the correct fuel.
Bio-D *does* have a cold weather problem and gels easier than regualr diesel, but you can correct that with mixtures of winter diesel and additives.
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2000 CC SRW 6 spd silver, BB turbo, AFE filter cone, intank mod, 4" Magnaflow SS exhaust, DP tuner 6 position chip, Custom Bypass filtering, currently down awaiting newer injectors, Bridgestone Revo's, was running on WVO
1999 Early Lariat CC SRW Green/Brown with BB turbo and newer intake, auto with custom built trans and 5r110 TC, late model radiator and soon to be installed 6.0 trans cooler, AFE intake filter cone, 4" Aluminized exhaust, rotella ELC coolant,DP tuner 3 position chip,Bridgestone Revo's.
Nope, all my fault.. no excuse haven't sent the doc the info. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] BUT, just so happens I'm sitting here, checking my sites, then I'm a writin [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] It'll be faxed before next week.
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bump... anybody learn anything new on this? Wish I'd have considered this sooner I could have gotten a report before running any VO in the truck, and one after - just recently converted the thing. Curious to see if anyone has done a "before and after" or has any additional info on this. TIA.
Charlie
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2000 Ex Limited running wvo on two tank/checkvalve system (modeled after fordnut but not as fancy); Bilstiens; Coolant filter.
I really dont know what the outcome of this was, but the fact that he used Mobil 1 makes me think that maybe his problem with the high iron, copper and lead was due to the actual oil used and the that he was running Vo in the truck, but thats just me.
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Not sure. CPUNECK kind of dropped off radar, hope he's OK.
His system was similar to mine, and I don't have the issues he did. Odds are he was getting WVO in his oil and it was polymerizing, based on the "stringy oil" description.
Thanks Don for the info on your truck. Godo to know you're not seeing this problem. I'm starting to be due for an oil change so I'll just pull a sample and send it in to see what I actually have in there.
Charlie
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2000 Ex Limited running wvo on two tank/checkvalve system (modeled after fordnut but not as fancy); Bilstiens; Coolant filter.
Try a sample in the fridge and one in the freezer too (courtesy dana linscott). If it gels you're in trouble. If it doesn't you can compare relative thickness to a sample of fresh oil at the same temp. Will get thicker with age but shouldn't be thicker than one grade heavier oil, though thats hard to tell without proper testing. Also look for any chunks or spots that seem thicker than the rest. Gives you some idea at least.
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