I have a question about the Golden system or any system for that matter. Some say just pull up to a resturaunt and pump into the cllection tank then pump into the useable tank through the filter. What about drying the oil? I thought that had to be done first before using the oil?
Pumping from the restaurant through a filtration system and into the truck has been the Holy grail for us greasers for years. You could engineer a system to do that with petro oil. Tough, but possible (I've done that type work). But, water in veg oil just behaves differently.
The best method so far is to use a centrifuge and heated oil to spin out the particulates and flash off the water.
As for the various kits, I have the utmost respect for Jason at DFA/Vegistroke. But, given a choice of running diesel or installing a less engineered but still functional veggie system, I'd go with what works and you can afford. Buy the best you can get. The other systems work.
Now, you may not get some of the same level of engineering and for sure it's hard to beat Jason's customer service... but there are lots of folks running up and down the road with other systems. They keys are adequate heat and filtration. The rest is just details.
Over four years ago I started with a Greasel system. I've put over 100,000 miles running on WVO. And yes, I've had a few problems along the way. But I've learned through each of them. There isn't one component of that original system left as I've upgrade each item. But, it worked. I just improved on it along the way.
Frankly, if I had to do it over again, I'd piece together my own system based on the excellent real world info available on this forum and others such as biodiesel.infopop.cc.
One other piece of advice... go with the FASS or comparable pump that is designed to handle veg oil. Also, don't send veg oil through the stock filter. It's too small and too expensive. I've had pretty well smooth sailing since I ditched the stock filter and pressure regulator setup.
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So is it possible to just pul up to a resturaunt and filter it and just use it from there as some videos suggest? I really like the tanks that the Golden kit has. It really looks like they put some real thought into the design. They have multiple mounting points for the heated filters and the ability to tie multiple tanks together with supplied mounting points.
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So is it possible to just pul up to a resturaunt and filter it and just use it from there as some videos suggest? I really like the tanks that the Golden kit has. It really looks like they put some real thought into the design. They have multiple mounting points for the heated filters and the ability to tie multiple tanks together with supplied mounting points.
Quite simply, no. Anyone who claims they are doing this is either lying or has an engine hovering on the brink of death. Oil must be clean and dry, plain and simple. All oil in a restaurant dumpster is dirty and wet. The only way to build a true "dumpster-to-fuel-tank" system would be to miniaturize your filtration to the point where it could be brought on board. It could be done, but it would cost you quite a bit of bed space.
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Quite simply, no. Anyone who claims they are doing this is either lying or has an engine hovering on the brink of death. Oil must be clean and dry, plain and simple. All oil in a restaurant dumpster is dirty and wet. The only way to build a true "dumpster-to-fuel-tank" system would be to miniaturize your filtration to the point where it could be brought on board. It could be done, but it would cost you quite a bit of bed space.
Now, I'm still waiting to get my feet wet with WVO as I've only been into diesels for a few months now and I haven't been able to afford a Vegistroke kit yet... but based on everything I've learned, a mobile centrifuge system would make compact mobile filtering possible. My plan for my van involves having a custom tank with extra lines for a pump and centrifuge, and using the V3 system to heat the oil before it's filtered. I plan on using shut-off valves to prevent the dirty oil from entering the motor. I feel pretty clever having figured it all out without any guidance, although I've yet to put it all together.
The golden system has built in heat exchangers in thier tanks and heated filters available. They are also set up for dual tank systems. So why couldnt you have 2 tanks one clean one dirty then run the output of the dirty tank through the first heated filter into the centrifuge then into the clean tank? The tanks also have an 8" access hole you could probably drop in some bag filters for when you pump in the oil. Does that make sense? Just for the record, I have no ties with the Golden system, I just like the thought they put into thier tank design. Also, How long does it take before the oil is warm enough for use? I'm guessing it wouldnt be worth it if you are just doing short trips around town unless you live in a warm area.
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We are getting off topic here but I wouldn't run a centrifuge while cruising down the road. It needs to be open to the air for the water vapors to escape. And, it does splash a bit. But.... it 'could' work. As far as I can tell, Golden does not include a centrifuge.
The general consensus of the veg oil community says there are two main ways to get water out of veggie: heat,filter and settle OR heat and centrifuge/flash off.
With that said, you could theoretically have a heated and filtered 'clean' tank with a substantial water trap (holding tank) on the bottom. And, if you drained that tank prior to movement in the morning... it might work.
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Let me also say the DFA V3 would be the way to go. It does seem a bit pricey at first, but I was spending $130-$150 per week in gas, so my system will have paid itself off in half a year. I had 2 friends who did most of the installation for me, but it went in without any problems and has been performing without so much as a hiccup since then; I am coming up on 1,000 miles on this unit and I cannot believe, I mean I really cannot believe, how flawlessly this unit has performed; I only wish I did this a year ago when I first started having to travel so much!!!
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diddo, ive got over 10,000 miles on this system. one word: BULLETPROOF......... its all about FILTERATION........ cant go wrong with Charles system
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Originally Posted by GreaselGuy
Let me add one more choice to your list of possibilities. Take a look Golden Fuel Systems. I purchased a system from them in 2005 and have over 60,000 mile of burning mostly vegetable oil.
I only had to call them once but their customer service was great.
I have a short article on my blog that talks about the "conversion experience" .
Depending on your location I would advise AGAINST a single tank system. The two tank system allows the vegetable oil to get heated up and thinned out and ready to burn.
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