do i need a hazmat - Page 2 - Diesel Forum

ToddT · 07-27-2005, 02:21 PM

But, lets get back to the definition of hazardous material in this load. The flashpoint is well above 200 degrees (try above 300 degrees) so it is not a flammable or below 140 degree combustible. It isn't a corrosive. No toxins.

Now, as I understand the rules, if your truck/trailer combination weighs over 10,000# and you are doing this as a commercial venture, you would need a CDL. And if it is in totebins, a tanker endorsement would be called for. But I still don't see where used vegetable oil or even biodiesel meets the definition of a hazardous material.

Again, I have learned enough about DOT to stay below the requirements in my business... by the book but under 1000# on haz-mat stuff, etc.

Good points, though skdvr000.

Todd T

bullridin_fool · 07-28-2005, 07:05 AM

toddt this is exactly what i'm thinking. can anyone of you guy's tell me what hazard class wvo or bio-diesel would fall into. now remember where not talking about "diesel fuel" but bio-diesel. i've been through my haz-mat book trying to find a place for it but i can't. it's not flammable, it doesn't classify as combustible, it's not corrosive, poision or any other way harmful to the enviroment or a person that might come in contact with it in case of a spill.

ToddT · 07-28-2005, 08:25 AM

Maybe its an entirely new hazard class to protect you, the driver. See, when folks find out you are toting around such a neat fuel that costs you pennies rather than dollars per gallon it is entirely likely that you could get mobbed and your load hijacked. Its like that new men's soap or cologne or whatever where the women get a whiff of him and then attack. Yes, its for your safety.

And when the animals find out you are carrying a fuel that is better for the environment and that it will provide cleaner air for them to breathe, they may well attack. Can you imagine if all the deer came out of the woods when they smelled your truck coming? Think of your hood and bumper, dear friend! Remember, animals have far superior olfactory senses than us. If we can smell our truck running on veggie a few feet away I'd bet the deer and other animals can smell it for miles.

Yep, this is one of those instances where the government is looking out for you, the driver. It even has an entirely new placard just for WVO/biodiesel. Rather than a diamond, this uses an octagon just like a stop sign with the bold letters: WHOA! That's an attempt to be culturally sensitive for both the humans and animals... something we can all understand.

Isn't it great to have a DOT who thinks about 'our' safety.

Todd T

forrest11479 · 07-28-2005, 04:16 PM

this is my point i call hazmat and spoke with them they said it si not hazardours material if the flash point is above 200 f. so it is not hazardours material but there my be some dot regs about transportation of liquids ( how much how heavy contianer size ) i have no cdl just a classes M & D.

bullridin_fool · 07-28-2005, 06:25 PM

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there may be some dot regs about transportation of liquids ( how much how heavy contianer size ) i have no cdl just a classes M & D.

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i've already answered this part, stay under 1,000 gals and also stay below 26,000 gross combined and you'll stay outa any commercial reg. and licensing(sp) just for giggles throw a not for hire tag on the trailer so they don't think your hauling for money.

FozzyBear · 07-30-2005, 09:55 PM

Hey all I live in Ohio I have hauled 12 totes. 2 275 gallon that say Mollases(sp)3000lbs. on them. I figure weight around 4200lbs. I have not not had any problems. I was stopped one night in conctruction for about a 1/2 and a cop must have walked by my truck 4 times and never said a word to me so im asuming in Ohio it must be ok to haul. Or its a dont ask dont tell. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]