DSE Method STILL working after 83,000 plus miles!! - Diesel Forum

BIGBLUE777 · 10-22-2008, 10:44 PM

Been a while and just thought Id drop a line concerning the infamously 'hated' DSE 'cold blended ' method.

My truck is still running strong with this diet after 83,000 + miles and the Fass Veg oil lift pump, along with the Racor Nautilus dual heated fuel filter is "the icing on the cake"!

I still marvel at the fact that I can make my usual 27 gallons of premium fuel in roughly 30 minutes and no need for waiting or purchasing volatile chemicals in mass quantity

,and Im on my way!! OUTSTANDING

Lenny

**DIESELDUTTON** · 10-23-2008, 07:05 PM

I hear ya Lenny, I dont have as many miles as you, but back in the spring I read one of your post and figured I would give it a shot

Next Thursday night I will be leaving NJ to deliver a boat to Lauderdale and guess what I'll be burning

I will have a 134 gallon tank in my bed and if I drive like a normal human, I should be able to make the round trip and not have to stop for fuel ( about 165 gallons) Thanks again Lenny

Frank

ToddT · 10-23-2008, 08:14 PM

I'm not into DSE but I know of a sawmill owner in Arkansas who has run thousands of gallons through his various trucks, skidders, generators and other diesel equipment.

Anyone figured out what their "secret ingredient" is yet? One chemist buddy was thinking it might be some 2-stroke pre-mix oil like you'd use in an outboard motor.

What is your total cost per gallon for the "other stuff" such as kerosene, gasoline and 'secret sauce'? I have friends who are interested in using it as a stop-gap measure until they move and can set up a bidiesel reactor.

BIGBLUE777 · 10-24-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DIESELDUTTON

I hear ya Lenny, I dont have as many miles as you, but back in the spring I read one of your post and figured I would give it a shot

Next Thursday night I will be leaving NJ to deliver a boat to Lauderdale and guess what I'll be burning I will have a 134 gallon tank in my bed and if I drive like a normal human, I should be able to make the round trip and not have to stop for fuel ( about 165 gallons) Thanks again Lenny

Frank

Good to hear others like you Frank who are continually making good use of this type of blending as well!

It just goes to show, this cold blending works...even for the long haul.

Guud luck on your trip, 165 gallons of high performance veg oil blend at one time, WOW!!!

BIGBLUE777 · 10-24-2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ToddT

I'm not into DSE but I know of a sawmill owner in Arkansas who has run thousands of gallons through his various trucks, skidders, generators and other diesel equipment.

Anyone figured out what their "secret ingredient" is yet? One chemist buddy was thinking it might be some 2-stroke pre-mix oil like you'd use in an outboard motor.

What is your total cost per gallon for the "other stuff" such as kerosene, gasoline and 'secret sauce'? I have friends who are interested in using it as a stop-gap measure until they move and can set up a bidiesel reactor.

...I havent used DSE's "secret ingredient" in about almost a year now. I substitute Power Service's 'white' bottle of diesel additive which primarily disperses water if present in the fuel, along with anti gelling and moderate cetane boosting qualities. That is all DSE's additive is used for...removal/dispersal of any water and to combat gelling issues. On their bottle, the ingredients listed at one time was Naptha/Napthlene, Xylene & Mineral Spirits. No two stroke oil in their additive, lol. I am having excellent results with Power Service's product for water removal.

..I dont use kerosene anymore. For almost a year now, Ive been using plain ole #2 diesel as my thinner. (Cant get kerosene in these parts anymore)

..As per cost, I truly spend about $1.85 a gallon to produce my own fuel.

Food for thought.

ToddT · 10-25-2008, 12:56 AM

What recipe do you follow?

firemediceric · 10-25-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGBLUE777

...I havent used DSE's "secret ingredient" in about almost a year now. I substitute Power Service's 'white' bottle of diesel additive which primarily disperses water if present in the fuel, along with anti gelling and moderate cetane boosting qualities. That is all DSE's additive is used for...removal/dispersal of any water and to combat gelling issues. On their bottle, the ingredients listed at one time was Naptha/Napthlene, Xylene & Mineral Spirits. No two stroke oil in their additive, lol. I am having excellent results with Power Service's product for water removal.

..I dont use kerosene anymore. For almost a year now, Ive been using plain ole #2 diesel as my thinner. (Cant get kerosene in these parts anymore)

..As per cost, I truly spend about $1.85 a gallon to produce my own fuel.

Food for thought.

Jason (FN74) with Dino Fuel Alternatives A.K.A. Veggie Stroke did some testing that showed the diesel supplements such as DK actually accelerated polymerization, so I stopped using it a long time ago and I have not noticed any performance negatives. I also do not want to use a product that emulsifies the water to let it pass with the fuel. I prefer for the fuel water seperator not to have anything working against it being able to do it's job.

I have been using 1 ounce of both naptha and turpentine per 10 gallons of WVO. Like your area, K1 is hard to get around here, but I don't want to use D2 as my thinner. I have read in so many places that only half the amount of K1 has to be used to equal the effects of D2 as a cutting agent. I have had good luck with using Jet-A in place of K1. It runs about a $1 more per gallon than D2, but using half as much saves $$$. My cost is running at about $1 per gallon

BIGBLUE777 · 10-25-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by firemediceric

Jason (FN74) with Dino Fuel Alternatives A.K.A. Veggie Stroke did some testing that showed the diesel supplements such as DK actually accelerated polymerization, so I stopped using it a long time ago and I have not noticed any performance negatives. I also do not want to use a product that emulsifies the water to let it pass with the fuel. I prefer for the fuel water seperator not to have anything working against it being able to do it's job.

I have been using 1 ounce of both naptha and turpentine per 10 gallons of WVO. Like your area, K1 is hard to get around here, but I don't want to use D2 as my thinner. I have read in so many places that only half the amount of K1 has to be used to equal the effects of D2 as a cutting agent. I have had good luck with using Jet-A in place of K1. It runs about a $1 more per gallon than D2, but using half as much saves $$$. My cost is running at about $1 per gallon

...I hear ya, but I am not in the least bit worried about any 'polymerization' effects, especially at this point. I really am rather WELL PLEASED with the results using DK thus far!!

As far as DK allowing any water molecules to pass thru my fuel system, so be it, as it would be miniscule amounts if any at all, considering the Racor Nautilus fuel filter I use which strips 99.9% of any water from the fuel blend. Anyhow, to further add, I could look at it as an 'in house' water injection addition!!

Ive run two trucks well in excess of 150,000 + miles between the two using the DSE blend using the additives listed with ZERO injector or injector pump failure!! I assure you, if I had ANY failure due to this cold blend method and its additives, Id be the first to let you guys know!!!

I understand when using kerosene as your thinning agent, you use roughly half the amount of that of #2 diesel. I use to, but like I said, availability for me became zero. Also, I find the thinning is improved using #2 instead of kerosene. I dont mind paying the little xtra $ for it as it also helps increase the cetane and btu characteristics of the blend.

But heh, what works for you is great & what works for me is just fine as well...

firemediceric · 10-26-2008, 05:51 PM

Can't argue with success

jimyz250 · 10-30-2008, 12:47 AM

I also use the dse system, so far works great (only about 3000 miles) I have used kerosene d2, and jA all in different batchs to see the diferences in price and performance, they all work about the same! one thing though, when starting cold on 100% it starts SLOW! and its better if I give it a little throttle. once started in the morning I have no other problems (its so cal, so its really not cold), it also smokes( nice little puff) upon take off after sitting at a light or something, then clean as so cal air can be. but all in all the system works great I love it, no way in hell I would ever use the meth and lye washer things what a pain!

**DIESELDUTTON** · 11-02-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGBLUE777

Good to hear others like you Frank who are continually making good use of this type of blending as well!

It just goes to show, this cold blending works...even for the long haul.

Guud luck on your trip, 165 gallons of high performance veg oil blend at one time, WOW!!!

Hey Lenny,

I just got back from Ft. Lauderdale, my truck ran great! I did have to stop and get 45 gallons of fuel in N.C. I burned a total of 205 gallons, 160 blend and 45 #2, my total miles = 2,486 thats a little over 12 mpg. I thought my mpg's would have been a little better, but o'well I was pulling 7500lbs and had another 1000lbs or so in my bed. Thanks again

Frank

**Excavator** · 11-02-2008, 06:04 PM

Where is good source to get naptha?
thanks
Jim

jimyz250 · 11-02-2008, 07:05 PM

hey jim, I was lookin at the pics of your filter system, was wondering how that pump that looks like it is in a metal box works? how much it costs and where did ya get it?, I am running a similar filter setup, but this stuff is thick, and it is slow going through the 5 micron house filter, like real slow, in fact my pump which is a 115 vlt fuel transfer pump (Like the red pump in your trailer)has its internal relief open all the time, like I had the valve mostly shut. when I flush it out with pure diesel, it flows great. thanks for the info

jimyz250 · 11-02-2008, 07:16 PM

hey lenny,
how do you like that fass fuel pump? how much was it and how was the install? does it install in line or does it replace the stocker?, it sounds like I could really use that to assist with pumpin this veggy oil through my truck. I really dont want to make the system work harder than it has to!
thanks
Jim

**Excavator** · 11-02-2008, 08:04 PM

jimmyz : The pump can be found in many places and I got mine from Graingers which is all around the USA

The pics you saw show that I use a Walmart laundry bag to to the fine filtering before it is mixed and run through the water filters.

Even more important is to let the oil settle at least a week before trying to filter it. I have since redid my filters and use a Racor dual filter set up with the Water block filter. I also preheat the oil in a drum before running it through the laundry bag. I have a drum set up with a water heater element inside to heat up oil and it makes filtering much easier.
I will have to update my pics soon.

OK , I updated my pics to show the drum filters and heater as well as the Racor dual filter setup
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