Burning either gasoline or Diesel fuel also creates water.
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1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
What water is created burning diesel or gas? It would be minute at best. You can't mean the condensation that dribbles out when you start a car. Water is the ONLY by-product of HHO, and it will rust out cylinders, etc., in pure form, without precautions
What water is created burning diesel or gas? It would be minute at best. You can't mean the condensation that dribbles out when you start a car. Water is the ONLY by-product of HHO, and it will rust out cylinders, etc., in pure form, without precautions
Actually, you get a gallon of water(vapor) for each gallon of the fossil fuels burnt. That's one of the side-advantages to using a portable kerosene heater in the winter. It adds humidity(water) to the air. Combustion of the fossil fuels extracts/removes/releases(what ever) the energy from the fuel leaving an energy free component..WATER...It has no stored energy!
You can put energy into it and then extract some of it, but it has none of it's own. And you can't get it all back! 'Tis why this hair brained scam is false!
2006 F350 CC LWB Dually XLT Oxford white manual 4x4 6.0 PSD 6 speed. 4.10 LS front and rear, Built May05. 4" turbo back, 55 gal aux fuel tank. A real pig from a stop, give me 15' and she'll slowly come to life, then watch out!
165K miles, 12 injectors, EGR cooler, Fuel pump, 8 glow plugs, GPCM, FICM rebuilt FoMoCo engine at 150K under 7/200 warranty.
A gallon of either gasoline or Diesel fuel contains 1/2 kilogram of hydrogen. Burning 1/2 kg of hydrogen creates 4.5 kilograms of H2O, which is one gallon of water after it condenses. That hardly seems "minute" to me.
But the H2O produced as a byproduct of combustion doesn't condense in the engine. Exhaust gas temperatures are high enough that the H2O leaves the engine as superheated vapor.
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
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We are also inducting water through the humidity in the air, of course varies with weather and climate.
Second I have a question I want to undersand from the nay-sayers or experts since I have been studying this from afar, very sceptical. Is it possible to just increase the milage of your vehcile overall maybe slightly, by simply using the extra energy form the alternator to produce the HHO gas? I believe it does take more energy to produce the gas then it gives. But that extra form the alternator is just being waisted isn't it? With that little bit of extra fuel (HHO) help get the vehichle better milage?
Finally I don't think corrosion will every be a problem with using HHO in a hybrid application because of the heat created from the buring of fuel should evaporate all the water.
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Is it possible to just increase the milage of your vehcile overall maybe slightly, by simply using the extra energy form the alternator to produce the HHO gas?
And what drives the alternator to produce the energy that you put into conversion of water to HHO? The engine. And the more energy (electrical power) you pull from the alternator, the more energy HP you demand from the engine thru the drive belt. Is the drive belt 100% efficient? NO. Is the alternator 100% efficient? NO. So where would that extra mileage come from?
It's basic physics.
I think you'd actually get more power (mileage) just injecting the water directly into the intake. They used to do that with aircraft engines back in WWII when things got hairy and they needed more power, but it wreaked havoc on the engines and pilots were discouraged from using water injection except as a last resort.
[quote=klhansen;1606590]And what drives the alternator to produce the energy that you put into conversion of water to HHO? The engine. And the more energy (electrical power) you pull from the alternator, the more energy HP you demand from the engine thru the drive belt. Is the drive belt 100% efficient? NO. Is the alternator 100% efficient? NO. So where would that extra mileage come from?
It's basic physics.
Since im a sceptic I agree, I just had a thought and wasn't sure. I think this is snake oil similar to other so called "miracle" products like enzyte. (Only comparison I could think of.) If it really worked you couldn't sell enough of them. Especially truckers, every truck would have one these days. But the generators don't and the numbers speak for themselves.
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Past trucks: 04 F-250 xlt 6.0 PSD SB extcab 4x4, 6spd, all stock and 97 F-250HD xlt 7.3 PSD extcab LB 4x4, 5spd, Superchips tuner, 4" turbo back exaust, K&N CAI, 02 intercooler installed, Sold
Last edited by RDG; 08-07-2008 at 09:23 PM.
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2006 F350 CC LWB Dually XLT Oxford white manual 4x4 6.0 PSD 6 speed. 4.10 LS front and rear, Built May05. 4" turbo back, 55 gal aux fuel tank. A real pig from a stop, give me 15' and she'll slowly come to life, then watch out!
165K miles, 12 injectors, EGR cooler, Fuel pump, 8 glow plugs, GPCM, FICM rebuilt FoMoCo engine at 150K under 7/200 warranty.
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2006 F350 CC LWB Dually XLT Oxford white manual 4x4 6.0 PSD 6 speed. 4.10 LS front and rear, Built May05. 4" turbo back, 55 gal aux fuel tank. A real pig from a stop, give me 15' and she'll slowly come to life, then watch out!
165K miles, 12 injectors, EGR cooler, Fuel pump, 8 glow plugs, GPCM, FICM rebuilt FoMoCo engine at 150K under 7/200 warranty.
Last edited by RDG; 08-07-2008 at 09:25 PM.
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There are cars that run on hydrogen cells.
There are people who run their houses on just only hydrogen, made from the sun and the wind, they use no gas or electric company's.
There is a news channel that has done the test with a dyno
electrolysis is real.
There are truckers who pay around 3,000.00 dollars for these systems, and love them.
so, again stop trying to get in the way of people who are curios to find things out for them selves, besides, one of these people might come up with a new invention on this type of subject.
… I want to understand from the nay-sayers or experts since I have been studying this from afar, very skeptical. Is it possible to just increase the mileage of your vehicle overall maybe slightly, by simply using the extra energy from the alternator to produce the HHO gas? I believe it does take more energy to produce the gas then it gives. But that extra from the alternator is just being wasted isn't it? ...
If I understand the question, you’re asking about excess alternator capacity.
To wit: If you have a 90-Ampere alternator installed, and you’re only using 60 Amperes, why not use those “extra” 30 Amperes which are currently going unused?
(have I retained your intended meaning after rephrasing your question?)
If you have a productive use for those excess Amperes, by all means use them. Just bear in mind that they’ll cost you.
In order to get 30 more Amperes of electricity out of your alternator, you need to put 30 more Amperes-worth of torque into it. In turn, the engine must develop 30 more Amperes-worth of torque, which means the engine will consume 30 more Amperes-worth of fuel to produce that extra torque.
It works, but there’s no free lunch. Every Ampere delivered by the alternator comes out of the fuel tank. (and, in turn, out of your wallet)
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Douglas Campbell, P.E.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles.
- Hella headlights (highly recommended)
- DOT C-2 back end (also recommended)
- R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. Saved ozone and money
- 4.1:1 final drive converted to 3.4:1. Quieter, better mileage but it's a good thing I live in the flat Midwest.
- 9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation, due to body & frame rust.
Last edited by drcampbell; 08-08-2008 at 11:19 AM.
Reason: trying to clarify - not sure whether I'm succeeding
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If it really worked you couldn't sell enough of them. Especially truckers, every truck would have one these days. But the generators don't and the numbers speak for themselves.
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