Hydrogen?

[drcampbell]

Originally Posted by greasy_Exc

While we might not be there just yet, $6 a gallon Diesel/gas will force us to [remember] who we are. We are AMERICANS, WE split the atom, WE took to the air in flight, WE put a man on the moon. (to hell with conspiracy [theorists]). When someone says it can't be done, Americans come through. We have become lazy fatasses, our standards have become [pathetically] low for education, "Political Correctness" is turning our country into an infested wasteland, while [tying] the arms down of those who [genuinely] care for the country.

Sorry for the rant, y’all, I am very [disappointed] in where our beloved country is heading, and I don't feel like I can do enough to stop it. My kids will be held above the lax educational standard, my nephews and niece are too. [Encourage] imagination, not [laziness].

Manhattan Project: Government project
Rickover’s Nuclear Navy: Government program
Atomic Energy Commission: Government agency
Air Mail, the main source of funding for early aviation: Government program
First supersonic flight (Chuck Yeager): Government-funded project
Fastest airplane ever built (SR-71 Blackbird): Government project
First artificial satellite (Sputnik): Government project
First person in orbit (Yuri Gagarin): Government project
NASA: Government agency
Apollo: Government program

Sorry for the rant, but maybe the problem underlying our current economic doldrums isn’t excessive government spending on science, mathematics & technology.

[miketturbo]

ck.out WATER4GAS.COM I built 2 cells for my 6.5 gmc.installed today,I'll need a few weeks to see if theres any milage increase.sometimes u gotta try it for yourself,to satisfy yourself.

[xero-xero]

OK spedwell, highschool chem. Laws of conservation of mass and energy. " you can not create r destroy mass or energy. the two can be converted between each other." so "h2o + energy = 2h + o" now you take your product and convert it into energy by COMBUSTION, which is not violating the laws of conservation of mass and energy. so, be careful about what you think you know.

[xero-xero]

I get 80 to the gallon in a 1987 honda accord dx, with a 2 barrel carburetter. i installed this kit on an e350 with a 7.3 and increased the mileage from 17 to 28 mpg. kits were regulated 12v 7a 11 plate home built setup. This was installed on a wheeled coach setup with 200,000 miles.

[greasy_Exc]

Originally Posted by drcampbell

Manhattan Project: Government project
Rickover’s Nuclear Navy: Government program
Atomic Energy Commission: Government agency
Air Mail, the main source of funding for early aviation: Government program
First supersonic flight (Chuck Yeager): Government-funded project
Fastest airplane ever built (SR-71 Blackbird): Government project
First artificial satellite (Sputnik): Government project
First person in orbit (Yuri Gagarin): Government project
NASA: Government agency
Apollo: Government program

Sorry for the rant, but maybe the problem underlying our current economic doldrums isn’t excessive government spending on science, mathematics & technology.

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunatly the candidates up for the next term are none too concerned with funding of math and science... Which for the life of me I cannot understand, if we were totally energy independant wouldn't that make us more powerfull? We could sell off the excess power to other countries, or not. Either way it would mean a stronger currency, better economy, and not to mention the badass weapons that could be created with a limitless source of free energy. Too many people in high enough places making loads of money off of oil..

[MarvinVR]

NUTHIN!! Its the longest thread about nothing in the site. As Ive said a couple of times, why dont a fair number of site members get together and make one of these things or maybe a few variations and do a real life test?

We can all yay and nay ourselves to death but nothing has been accomplished. Proof is in the doing. If I had to choose after reading everything so far, Id say its a crock and cant work.

And what about this advertisers item for $1,900 bucks?! MileageMaker Magnum and Brutus Paks Onboard Hydrogen Generators for Your Diesel Truck.

[boracay]

okay i made and installed two separate hydro fuel cells, routed together the hoses with a tee ,into the intake hose, in between the air filter and turbo .the two cells together are producing a good amount of gas . and believe me i wish i could say i got an increase in millage . but... nothing except it does seem to have more power now ,.i drove a 6.0 yesterday and did not see much difference. it was recommended to get an adjuster for the map sensor .probably more money for same results , but heh im stuburn

[VLift]

Folks, there is lots of information out there saying that if you don't tell the O2 sensor that everything is swell, it will believe the change in O2 means you need more fuel, the computer will add it, and you've gained nothing. So, you install the device to adjust the O2 sensor to computer value and much is better. This applies to all systems, gas or dielsel, that use an O2 sensor.

Now, I have read recently that the reason a 6.0 or 7.? powerstroke will not get more than 1-2 MPG increase is the 2 part fuel injection. Anyone know what that is or a way around it?

[Mark Kovalsky]

Originally Posted by VLift

This applies to all systems, gas or dielsel, that use an O2 sensor.

This is the level of understanding that keeps these scams going. People want to believe that this scam works, but they don't have the background to understand how an engine works. Yet they can tell those of us that we are just naysayers.

NO DIESEL USES AN O2 SENSOR. Study how the diesel engine cycle works and then maybe you will have a chance to understand why this whole system is a SCAM.

[444-4D]

Why don't you guys having success with these systems post your MPG increase and your water usage per 1000 miles. I saw a system about a month ago that had produced a 20% increase for over 6 months on the same 1/2 gallon of water. Are the systems you are using that efficient?

[a94cobra]

Originally Posted by VLift

Now, I have read recently that the reason a 6.0 or 7.? powerstroke will not get more than 1-2 MPG increase is the 2 part fuel injection. Anyone know what that is or a way around it?

Where did you read that? Was it in reference to the hydrogen units or something else?

[pilot4life]

Originally Posted by Alaskapsdvan

Does any one know how much O and H2 is in the air at sea level?
How much O and H2 is at oh...... 3000feet?
I know that there is a differnce at 11,000 feet.... there is less of both... that is way airplanes of WWII had a thing called the Supercharger...

The ratio oxygen/nitrogen/trace gases is the same at all altitudes. What changes is the partial pressure of that volume of air. Airplanes had superchargers because the volume of air the engine were injesting if it were NA did not have the needed volume of oxygen needed to produce the power to stay at altitude.

If this is what you ment then nevermind. I read it and was a little confused as to what you were referring to.

[mm]

Don't know if this link has been posted. Seems like one of the better ones. Not so primitive looking.

World Energy Solutions, Inc

[mm]

oops. this is the link
http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/

[a94cobra]

Seen that page. If you read the FAQ's there are very informative.