Hydrogen?

[xero-xero]

Everybody is about results. they want to hear or see it work. I have posted my gains on a FLEET vehicle. These E350 Ambulances run over 120,000 miles a year. over the past month, it decreased the fuel cost by 44.8 %. My cell has 11 plates with a total surface area of 708 sq in or 4.8 sq ft. I purchased a DC amperage regulator to regulate it to 7 amps. it produces enough Hydrogen to run a 2.o liter 4 cylinder without gasoline. Arguements, thoughts?

[444-4D]

Originally Posted by xero-xero

Everybody is about results. they want to hear or see it work. I have posted my gains on a FLEET vehicle. These E350 Ambulances run over 120,000 miles a year. over the past month, it decreased the fuel cost by 44.8 %. My cell has 11 plates with a total surface area of 708 sq in or 4.8 sq ft. I purchased a DC amperage regulator to regulate it to 7 amps. it produces enough Hydrogen to run a 2.o liter 4 cylinder without gasoline. Arguements, thoughts?

Would you answer my question.

[boracay]

xero ,more info on your set up ? i have 2 -23 plate cells producing a good amount of gas , but so far no increase in millage and to "mark" yes a map sensor not oxy sensor , i would love to see this work ,but for me , so far it has not. i did see a lawn mower running on only hydro gas ,but barley - meaning it was not running full throttle plus it was hooked up to 4 cells powered off of ac current.some anyways i would love to see documented before and after fuel bills to miles traveled etc .

[a94cobra]

got any pics xero?

[VLift]

No O2 sensor in a diesel, ok, my misunderstanding of the system.
The statement about a hydroxy system not providing much benefit to a power stoke 6.0 came from a site selling the systems.
So, having drubbed me over the O2 sensor, maybe we can get Mark "Former Ford Trans Engineer 1988-2007" to respond to the question about the two part diesel injection.
And, I may not have the credentials to have been a "Former Ford Trans Engineer 1988-2007" but, there is just too large a body of knowledge, and history of Browns Gas, Hydroxy, HHO (pick one) to believe there is not some credibility in the subject.
It may not work for my truck, not knowing if it will or not is why I came here to ask questions, that and not knowing that in order to converse I might need to be a "Former Ford Trans Engineer 1988-2007"

[Halitosis]

Originally Posted by VLift

No O2 sensor in a diesel, ok, my misunderstanding of the system.
The statement about a hydroxy system not providing much benefit to a power stoke 6.0 came from a site selling the systems.
So, having drubbed me over the O2 sensor, maybe we can get Mark "Former Ford Trans Engineer 1988-2007" to respond to the question about the two part diesel injection.
And, I may not have the credentials to have been a "Former Ford Trans Engineer 1988-2007" but, there is just too large a body of knowledge, and history of Browns Gas, Hydroxy, HHO (pick one) to believe there is not some credibility in the subject.
It may not work for my truck, not knowing if it will or not is why I came here to ask questions, that and not knowing that in order to converse I might need to be a "Former Ford Trans Engineer 1988-2007"

Not quite sure why you are snubbing a guy for his signature. If that's his street cred, then so be it...

I wouldn't snub a "Former Ford Trans Engineer" for pointing out any of my errors, any more than I would want to go toe-to-toe with Dr. Campbell and his ability to dissect the 7th dimension using an abacus.

Mark is pointing out that it's the LACK of knowledge, combined with the fact that the constant repetition of falsehoods is what turns urban legend into assumed fact...

It's why we have the Thighmaster, left-handed potato-peelers, gravity-absorption shoes, 'DIESEL SECRET ENERGY", and anything else you can find on TV at 2:00am or at the other end of nearly any Google search.

It's what brings people to forums like this one... asking how this is possible...

... and when some heavy-hitters and seasoned veterans reply that it's an urban legend... or that a product is simply "snake-oil"... they are decried as "naysayers" and "disbelievers"....

The only "perpetual motion machines" that are possible are the ones that we already witness:

the ability for enough belief to be created....
to sell enough scam products...
to create enough revenue...
to continue to market the same falsehoods...
to more people....
to create more revenue...
to continue to market the same falsehoods...
...


To all you "Don Quixote" folks out there... go get those windmills.... give 'er hell....

... in the meantime, make sure you stop off for a meal at a LOVELY restaurant and have an extra helping of french fries. My truck is always in need of more WVO.

Once again.... my .02

Halitosis

[Mark Kovalsky]

Originally Posted by Halitosis

Mark is pointing out that it's the LACK of knowledge, combined with the fact that the constant repetition of falsehoods is what turns urban legend into assumed fact...

SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for VLift, you didn't come here asking questions, you told us that it wasn't working because the O2 sensors were being fooled. That's not what (or really who) was being fooled.

It's too bad you don't have the knowledge to have such a prestigous signature. Sometimes it's actually helpful to listen to people that know more than you do. But I'm sure you don't understand this, either.

You may believe there is some credibility in this subject. I don't believe it, I know from a study of the subjects that it isn't possible, even without building one to try for myself.

I've never tried building an electric F350 to run on one AA battery, either. I can do the math to know before building it that it isn't going to work. I can do the math (and I demonstrated it several pages ago, as have others,) that proves this is a scam and can NEVER work.

But since you don't have such a prestigous signature you probably can't understand any of this.

[444-4D]

I wish some of you guys using these would tell me how much water you are using. I've only seen one system installed on a vehicle. The guy said his mileage had improved 20%. Considering he drives about 1500 miles per week and he had been using the system for about 6 months, he has gotten about 6500 free miles from this system from about a cup of water. The thing I can't figure out is if this guy can get 6500 miles out of a cup of water, why doesn't he install two systems on the same vehicle?

[drcampbell]

Originally Posted by VLift

... there is just too large a body of knowledge, and history of Brown's Gas, Hydroxy, HHO (pick one) to believe there is not some credibility in the subject.
It may not work for my truck, not knowing if it will or not is why I came here to ask questions, that and not knowing that in order to converse I might need to be a "Former Ford Trans Engineer 1988-2007"

Where is it written that a guy who engineers transmissions from 9:00 to 5:00 necessarily knows nothing about engines, combustion, electrochemistry or thermodynamics?

Don't confuse quantity with quality. Where there's smoke, there's sometimes only a stagehand with a smoke generator.
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. (including this)

p.s: I estimate an electric F350 would require about a half-million AA batteries.

[VLift]

"Where is it written that a guy who engineers transmissions from 9:00 to 5:00 necessarily knows nothing about engines, combustion, electrochemistry or thermodynamics?"

You've debased his out-of-hand, unfounded except in his own closed mind, position better than I could, not having the street creds I mean.

[Mark Kovalsky]

Originally Posted by VLift

"Where is it written that a guy who engineers transmissions from 9:00 to 5:00 necessarily knows nothing about engines, combustion, electrochemistry or thermodynamics?"

You've debased his out-of-hand, unfounded except in his own closed mind, position better than I could, not having the street creds I mean.

You don't even understand the post that you quoted.

[RDG]

Strike 3. This one is closed due to insults, offtopic, and the fact some new members have not read the rules.