Hydrogen?

[Alaskapsdvan]

Both gas and diesel need air to make the bang.... so reason says that if the air can give a bigger bang then there would be less fuel needed for the total bang..
I am still reading on how to build one and not buy one.

[tates97]

his setup didnt work and he is too uneducated (diesel wise)to explain why. said something about high pressure oil working against the whole deal....gonna look at his setup tommorow and figure it out...sorry Tater

[greasy_Exc]

What did you find out? I think this is a technology that could definatly benefit us all.. if only there were some serious research into it from DIYer's. When I first started researching WVO, people said it didn't work, and it was a dumb idea to begin with... Several years later, it is getting common place which makes for less veggie I can collect. With distilled water, cathode, and an annode I think the idea is tits. Keep us updated!

[dmrod]

Gentlemen,
Yes this does work, and it is supposed to work better on diesel engines. I have a friend running a booster kit on a 6.0 with great results. I have all the parts to assemble two units, each for under $100. I will be putting one on an '05 6.0 and another on a saturn 4 cylinder gasser. There is an unreadable amount of information out there. Look up Stan Meyer and his videos, he had a street legal dune buggy in the early '90s that ran on %100 water. He mysteriously died along with his design. There are a bunch of websites selling kits and information on how to build, but you can get it all for free if you look in the right spot. Check out the "watercar" group on Yahoo, tons of information, designs and plans for you to build your own all for free. A great website to check out is Hydrogen Garage LLC, and then there is the Holy Grail of Free Energy websites Panacea University. It is only with the advent of the internet and forums like this that is allowing this information to get out, as this technology has been around since the '70s when Yule Brown invented the first HHO gas fuel cell to run a car on water.

[tates97]

I'm trying to wrap my mind around a lot of this....
1. The amount of decrease caused by hydrogen introduced...the HPOP tries to suppliment by shooting more oil to it. Am I correct...?
2.When the engine senses its running lean doesnt it dump in fuel/oil in to supplement. Introducing the HYd. without backing of off the timing couldnt this cause busted "important parts"?
3.Can we retard our tunable chips to create an 80% fuel ratio for the motor and supplement 20 % hyd. (easy model)....
TAter

[Alaskapsdvan]

One of the things that I have read is that the O sensor gets a larger space between it and where it normaly goes so that it thinks that it is getting the right amount of O....

[speedjunkie]

Originally Posted by Alaskapsdvan

One of the things that I have read is that the O sensor gets a larger space between it and where it normaly goes so that it thinks that it is getting the right amount of O....

I agree. The new gassers have to have the O2 sensor backed out of the exhaust some to compensate for running the HHO fuel supplement from what I've been reading. Other wise the ECU will enrichen the mixture and counteract the gain achieved by running the HHO supplement. Some of the Dodge boys seem to be running the magdrive setup from this website. MagDrive Fuel From H2O - HHO Generators Their is a really good youtube video when you first open up the link mentioned that demonstrates the gains obtained from an older chevy truck they tested it on. Its 9 minutes of your life you will never get back, but it is a very good example of HHO working. One other thing the TDIclub.com site has banned any HHO talk whatsoever and will lock the thread immediately??? I don't get it? I don't care what anybody drives. Paying for fuel this high is not right. I just want to lower my operating costs period!

Here's one more link that has some pretty good info too.
Super Green Fuels - Testimonies

[PTC_POWER]

on a diesel the hho acts like a catalyst (i think thats how you spell it)

instead of running propane, this act just like the same.

when your are converting water into hho there is a mixture of pure 100% oxygen and 100% hydrogen

the amount of which the truck or car takes from the two is unknown. I'm messing around with a different design on the container to see if i can get more oxygen from the tank then hydrogen.

i will post more info when i have found things out.

a good pointer for the ones who are going to make one of these, make sure you put on a 15 amp resistor because when it goes past 15 amps the chamber becomes violent, had a persons hood blow off the car because of build up under hood.

[RatherBNtheWoods]

You're going to try and get more O than H out of H2O? Hum.

Just out of curiosity,,,what is a 15 amp resistor?

[rotozuk]

Hey folks..

So we want to break PURE water down to its base elements. How do we do that? Well, we can do like the rest of the world and use electricity. Oh wait, how much electricity do we need to throw at this to break the water down? A **** load. Do you have a **** load of electricity to throw at this? Nope.

Basically to make enough hydrogen for your truck to see any benefit, you would need to put ALL of the engines power into making electricity, and then you would still come up short.

Every time you convert energy you loose some of what you had. In this scenario you are converting energy many, many times. (combustion to mechanical to electrical to chemical to combustion.)

If it could be done every OEM would be doing it!

-Wayne

p.s. You want some free hydrogen? You already have a nice little hydrogen making device in your truck....it's called a battery. It can vent a SMALL amount of hydrogen as a result of (over)charging.

[4micaman]

Originally Posted by rotozuk

Hey folks..

So we want to break PURE water down to its base elements. How do we do that? Well, we can do like the rest of the world and use electricity. Oh wait, how much electricity do we need to throw at this to break the water down? A **** load. Do you have a **** load of electricity to throw at this? Nope.

Basically to make enough hydrogen for your truck to see any benefit, you would need to put ALL of the engines power into making electricity, and then you would still come up short.

Every time you convert energy you loose some of what you had. In this scenario you are converting energy many, many times. (combustion to mechanical to electrical to chemical to combustion.)

If it could be done every OEM would be doing it!

-Wayne

p.s. You want some free hydrogen? You already have a nice little hydrogen making device in your truck....it's called a battery. It can vent a SMALL amount of hydrogen as a result of (over)charging.

oh ye of little faith...

This link to youtube is the first one that shows on google for "hydrogen generator" and I couldn't locate their 5mw generator anywhere in the film.

YouTube - Hydrogen Generator Demo

How can we be sure you don't work for one of the auto makers? JK Wayne

Apparently it IS being done. If one was to think on it (for a short period), it should be obvious why the big auto makers aren't mass producing this and/or other technologies... that could reduce dependence of crude.

[rotozuk]

Really, that is the best you can come up with?

OK, lets look at the video.. We have a couple of dim guys that claim to be filling a 1 liter bottle with hydrogen and lighting the hydrogen to make the bottle fly into the air. It takes them, oh 10 seconds to fill the bottle from their storage device. (It is not making hydrogen that fast, it is pre-processed according to the video.)

Now lets do the math, my truck has a 7.3 liter motor with a turbo. How long will it take to make enough hydrogen to idle my truck?

Don't know if you noticed in the video, but there was the sounds of either a generator or, more then likely, the truck with it's hood open to generate the voltage needed for the "cracking" of the water.


As to your argument of the big automakers wanting to keep us dependent on oil... You must not be paying attention to what is going on with them all. They are all in serious trouble right now as they do not have enough efficient designs. High fuel economy cars and hybrids are selling much better then anything else. If they could come up with a method to get even 1% better fuel economy using a reliable hydrogen system, you better believe they would be all over it. It would save their butts from extinction.

For that matter a small company would jump all over it and be selling vehicles or retrofit kits. Not these fly by night internet scam artists.. Which I'm thinking you are starting to sound like.

-Wayne

Originally Posted by 4micaman

oh ye of little faith...

This link to youtube is the first one that shows on google for "hydrogen generator" and I couldn't locate their 5mw generator anywhere in the film.

YouTube - Hydrogen Generator Demo

How can we be sure you don't work for one of the auto makers? JK Wayne

Apparently it IS being done. If one was to think on it (for a short period), it should be obvious why the big auto makers aren't mass producing this and/or other technologies... that could reduce dependence of crude.

[4micaman]

Really, that is the best you can come up with?

No, that isn't the "best" I can come up with. What part of "This link to youtube is the first one that shows on google for "hydrogen generator"" do you not understand?

OK, lets look at the video.. We have a couple of dim guys that claim to be filling a 1 liter bottle with hydrogen and lighting the hydrogen to make the bottle fly into the air. It takes them, oh 10 seconds to fill the bottle from their storage device. (It is not making hydrogen that fast, it is pre-processed according to the video.)

First off, it's a two liter bottle... clearly stated in the video.

Now lets do the math, my truck has a 7.3 liter motor with a turbo. How long will it take to make enough hydrogen to idle my truck?

Are we doing math or just being arrogant? Running a vehicle entirely on HHO and using it to aid in a more complete combustion is two different things

Don't know if you noticed in the video, but there was the sounds of either a generator or, more then likely, the truck with it's hood open to generate the voltage needed for the "cracking" of the water.

Dang, you busted them didn't you! The secret is out now... they're using a 12V battery to provide the power for HHO production.

As to your argument of the big automakers wanting to keep us dependent on oil...

That isn't even close to what I said.

You must not be paying attention to what is going on with them all. They are all in serious trouble right now as they do not have enough efficient designs. High fuel economy cars and hybrids are selling much better then anything else. If they could come up with a method to get even 1% better fuel economy using a reliable hydrogen system, you better believe they would be all over it. It would save their butts from extinction.

I'm paying attention alright, but I have no sympathy for them... ATALL! They've dug this hole, now let them deal with it. For years, the foreign car makers have been giving them a good ole UFC beat down and they have done nothing major to curtail that beating.

For that matter a small company would jump all over it and be selling vehicles or retrofit kits.

They are out there. You could just wait until someone does all the leg work and then come out with your own "customized" system...

Not these fly by night internet scam artists..

and they are out there too.

Which I'm thinking you are starting to sound like.

Now that's just asinine, uncalled for and without merit. I'm not selling anything... or trying to. In fact, I have little to no interest in using a hydrogen generator but, I have looked at enough of it to believe it is viable and with some merit. You're the one that came here and used such poetic language saying how it's impossible to make HHO, for the average person. On the other hand, I did a "really quick" Google and gave the "first" link to that query. There is a plethora of research and information available for those without blinders... or to narrow minded to believe the technology is there.

The name Stan Meyer probably means nothing to most people. He is the pioneer of this technology and rumor has it, he met an early demise because of his research and findings. YouTube - Stan Meyer - hydrogen oxygen ( HHO ) - Zero Point Energy

[Westro]

It takes 50kWh of electricity to get 1 kilogram of Hydrogen.

The electrolysis method discussed in this thread consumes more energy that it creates.

[PTC_POWER]

Well, this is going to be funny, someone who says that it cant happen and cant be done.
well keep thinking that, and keep paying 4to 5 dollars for your fuel. lmao

with the design of how it is made makes the difference.

go and make one then post your opinion on it