That contradicts what the people at Greasel and Greasecar are saying, and they have vehicles (DI diesel engines) in excess of 100,000 miles of grease burning. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img] I dunno, seems like everybody has a different take on this stuff, but relatively speaking it is new technology. Even though the first diesel engine was designed to run on peanut oil over 150 years ago.
Mike
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1995 F 350 CC PSD 4X4, 4.10's with E4OD. DIY open element air intake. DPP Downpipe. 10K mod, Fumoto drain valve, SCMT 1705, Shimmed FPR, Stancor GP thingy. BDP Stg I's. Panasonic HU feeding an Orion 800.2 for the two 12" JL's and an Orion XTR400.4 for the Infinity 6.1's Yeah its a diesel but I cant hear it from inside the cab. 5 " open exhaust is installed, she barks now! Isspro Trans,Pyro & Boost on the A pillar. Tru-Cool 28,000# stacked plate trans cooler. bdp Stg I's and a UCC TC and Trans-go Tugger kit to hold it to the ground.
Purchased 9/29/03 @ 108,000 mi
As of 12/25/05 its @ 160,000 mi
Upcoming mods- ?
Also play with a '65 Mustang "ground upped" and a customized 92 Harley. Life is good.
That report compared using a refined soy based biodiesel (from virgin soy beans) and the refined biodiesel from waste veggie oil. It stated that biodiesel prepared by transesterfication is fine. It does not deal with using heated WVO at all.
Now, I'm not one for finding conspiracy theories everywhere but this study was from Penn State. How many soy bean farmers are there in Pennsylvania? And where was the first big oil boom? How do you spell Penzoil? From what state?
Nah... nothing to it.
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2002 F-250 Lariat, PSD, CC, short bed, 3.73, auto tranny, Line-X bed liner, AFE Filter, HX crossover, intake heater delete, Evans NGC+, Dieselsite 203 thermostat, coolant filter, Amsoil by-pass filter, Schaeffer's synthetic blend tranny fluid, Bob Riley's tranny filter, Velvet Ride shackles, Rancho 9000 shocks with in-cab adjustment, 60 gallon aux tank for burning heated WVO, burning veggie since fall of '04.
Not to be siding on the report, but greasal and greasecar are also selling a product. I really think that there needs to be an independent study on a high mileage (99 and newer) Powerstroke engine.
I would really like to convert to WVO, but I also don't want any long term engine problems. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
The way I interpert the report is that the author was/is heavily influenced by the bio-diesel industry. In which SVO/WVO will definetly hurt that industry. I know that greasel or greasecar sells the conversion kits so that would make you THINK they might be biased but, how long could that hold up before word spread like wild fire and customers came forward with MAJOR problems. The author of the report stated that the glycerins in the SVO were akin to putting sugar in a tank, dunno what you think, but sugar in a tank is INSTANT problems. SVO doesnt seem to be showing those results so far?
And as far as an independent test, I dont know how much more independent of a test you can rely on than one run by the end consumer for 50K to 100K miles. I am like you too, I want to do the conversion but have been hesitant to do so as of yet. Im still waiting for the jury to weigh in as well.
Mike
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1995 F 350 CC PSD 4X4, 4.10's with E4OD. DIY open element air intake. DPP Downpipe. 10K mod, Fumoto drain valve, SCMT 1705, Shimmed FPR, Stancor GP thingy. BDP Stg I's. Panasonic HU feeding an Orion 800.2 for the two 12" JL's and an Orion XTR400.4 for the Infinity 6.1's Yeah its a diesel but I cant hear it from inside the cab. 5 " open exhaust is installed, she barks now! Isspro Trans,Pyro & Boost on the A pillar. Tru-Cool 28,000# stacked plate trans cooler. bdp Stg I's and a UCC TC and Trans-go Tugger kit to hold it to the ground.
Purchased 9/29/03 @ 108,000 mi
As of 12/25/05 its @ 160,000 mi
Upcoming mods- ?
Also play with a '65 Mustang "ground upped" and a customized 92 Harley. Life is good.
Over 3,000 miles and still no problems except for a fuel pump that may or may not have been ready to go. You would think if the injectors were to get fouled, it would happen pretty quickly. It's too bad too because I'm a Penn State grad--I'm disappointed. Well, we'll see as time goes by I guess.
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Alpine CD player, Infinity Reference speakers all the way around.
Converted to run on straight vegetable oil at 96,395 miles--I'll keep ya updated.
I like his saying the difference in Soy-diesel and Bio diesel, Then he quotes a UN study. UN is one of the biggest researchers in Soy based BIO DIESEL, and it is called Bio diesel.
Then says the cost to build the refineries aren't worth it. Funny there are two in Nebraska already and one in Iowa and ILL. I know that they are getting ready to build another one in ILL. So, they must know something that Penn U doesn't! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]
Soy based Bio diesel, does not have to be mixed with diesel as he stated, There are plenty of people running B100 without problems!
I agree that it is a oil based research paper and they are starting to get scared! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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One of the problems I have with WVO/SVO is burning the glycerin. It causes some nasty polution problems that are not involved w/ Bio.
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What are those pollution problems? And are they more harmful than conventional fossil fuels?
Mike
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1995 F 350 CC PSD 4X4, 4.10's with E4OD. DIY open element air intake. DPP Downpipe. 10K mod, Fumoto drain valve, SCMT 1705, Shimmed FPR, Stancor GP thingy. BDP Stg I's. Panasonic HU feeding an Orion 800.2 for the two 12" JL's and an Orion XTR400.4 for the Infinity 6.1's Yeah its a diesel but I cant hear it from inside the cab. 5 " open exhaust is installed, she barks now! Isspro Trans,Pyro & Boost on the A pillar. Tru-Cool 28,000# stacked plate trans cooler. bdp Stg I's and a UCC TC and Trans-go Tugger kit to hold it to the ground.
Purchased 9/29/03 @ 108,000 mi
As of 12/25/05 its @ 160,000 mi
Upcoming mods- ?
Also play with a '65 Mustang "ground upped" and a customized 92 Harley. Life is good.
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And where was the first big oil boom? How do you spell Penzoil? From what state?
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Well, since you asked, you spell Pennzoil with two "n"s... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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just a short statement from germany, over here they sell biodiesel and its the same stuff you guys know as biodiesel. its cheaper than regular diesel because of tax issues. the problem everybody knows over here is that biodiesel is very aggressiv against rubber. because of this only a few vw's, bmw's and mercedes are certified to run biodiesel without problems. older cars have all the same problems, the biodiesel destroys the fuellines, the fuelpump, and because it has lower lubrication often the injectorpump. i am wondering that in no statement about biodiesel in the forum i heared these destroing rubber thing. have you heared of this in the us? (sorry for my bad english some times)
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96' F350 CC Long Bed, 2WD, E4OD, Totaled, Only Body Left
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older cars have all the same problems, the biodiesel destroys the fuellines, the fuelpump, and because it has lower lubrication often the injectorpump. i am wondering that in no statement about biodiesel in the forum i heared these destroing rubber thing. have you heared of this in the us? (sorry for my bad english some times)
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WOAH!!! Time OUT!! Bio-Diesel has a HIGHER lubrication ability than regualr diesel.
Also, mixtures of Bio-D and regular diesel of up to 20% is supposed ot be safe for older vehicles with "natural rubber" fuel system parts.
New vehicles in the US (post 1996-ish) use a synthetic rubber in all fuel related parts and can handle 100% bio-D.
However, bio-D is a natural solvent and will clean your entire fuel system of crud, so expect a few plugged fuel filters at first.
I need to do some more looking at www.biodieselnow.com This is where I've heard that burning glycerin is a problem. Its the glycerin thats the problem w/ WVO/SVO. I just remember that at the temps it burns at in our engines, it produces a nasty polutant out the tailpipe. Probably no worse than petro, but by removing the glycerin, we get a better fuel for the environment. Thats why people go through the hassle of transesterification, and it's OK'd by EPA for use as fuel. WVO/SVO is not EPA approved for fuel.
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I was popinted to this study over on FTE as well. My biggest problem is that the report is very vague.
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Engine durability is also poor. There are no long term studies (on engine performance and maintenance requirements) because the engines don’t last that long."
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OK, so what about short term reports. Why did the engine fail? which engines failed? how were they tested? what failed? Did the injectors fail? melt rings?,scuff the bearings?, carbon up real bad? the list goes on.
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The glycerin in the soybean oil acts like sugar in the fuel tank and will eventually ruin fuel injectors without special management
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What exactly is glycerin? again how does it affect the injectors? Does it matter that in WVO it is technically called Triglycerides which is one molecule glycerin and 2 molecules fatty acids?
Someone had also mentioned concern about carbon build up. I am going to go out on a limb here and say that WVO is like anything else when burned, It will smoke and produce plenty of soot if not burned thouroughly. In other words if your truck is not smoking(mine does not) more than normal, the risk of carbon build up is most likely no worse than with diesel. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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