Over 1500 miles running WMO in my 6.4 Powerstroke - Diesel Forum

TurboLs1 · 05-29-2012, 12:17 AM

Hey everyone, just wanted to offer an update as I have run about 1500 miles on WMO in my 2008 F450 now. I use a WVODesigns Raw Power Extreme centrifuge to process, and have no DPF or cat on my truck and everything is running good so far. Almost all of the 1500 miles were driven pulling either a 32' gooseneck or a 18' equipment trailer. I have had between 6,000 and 10,000 pounds on the trailers all week running a WMO blend. For more complete info on my truck, how it runs, the processing, etc; read my webpage dedicated to running WMO. I will try to offer updates here as I put more miles on the truck. Thanks again guys.

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mtrans · 05-29-2012, 06:25 AM

pulling heavy loads is best way to burn wmo,idle is a killer.
1500 mil is NOTHING in wmo,look your engine,filter, and smoke.Best

TurboLs1 · 05-29-2012, 09:25 AM

Thanks for the reply, I know 1500 miles is nothing, but I dont think anyone else is running WMO in a 2008 to 2010 Powerstroke engine yet, so I am trying to keep everyone updated on my progress. I will keep an eye on the smoke and filters. Thanks again.

wyorever · 05-29-2012, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TurboLs1

Thanks for the reply, I know 1500 miles is nothing, but I dont think anyone else is running WMO in a 2008 to 2010 Powerstroke engine yet, so I am trying to keep everyone updated on my progress. I will keep an eye on the smoke and filters. Thanks again.

Thanks for posting

TurboLs1 · 05-31-2012, 11:17 AM

No hauling this week so far. About 100 miles of city driving and a couple hours of idling while my son played in the back seat while I was working on a tractor yesterday. Still runs great and the smoke clears right up with a few seconds of full throttle. Another update in a few days.

Super10brss · 05-31-2012, 01:29 PM

Mike... what recipe are you using? We have ran WMO in a 2011 6.7 Cummins with pretty good success... just gotta keep the WMO blend as thin as possible. My 7.3... as long as you get the viscosity close your good.

**F250Truckin** · 05-31-2012, 08:34 PM

TurboLs1 - glad to hear someone chime in with a 6.4. I did know know their fuel system would take WMO. Some has to be the leader and glad to see you stepped out and are giving us information. Keep up the good work.

TurboLs1 · 05-31-2012, 10:17 PM

Guys, thanks for the replies. I have ran several different blends ranging from 80/5 RUG/15 D2 to 80/20 D2. The only thing I can tell that makes a difference is the viscosity. I honestly cannot tell the difference between a RUG mix and a D2 mix as long as they are close in viscosity. The thicker the mix, the quicker the smoke returns, but a full throttle run for a few seconds clears everything right up. I have about 350 gallons processed right now and should be collecting more in the next few days. Hopefully I will have a few more hauling jobs next week and will have more miles to report.

TurboLs1 · 06-04-2012, 09:50 PM

2300 miles on WMO now. No ill effects seen yet. I did notice some condensation in my clean/processed tank yesterday so it must have a slight amount of water in it. Since there is no RUG in the current batch in my processing tank, I turned the heater up until the oil flowing into my clean tank was registering 140F at the nozzle. Hopefully this will help with the water but I havent noticed any difference in the 60 gallons or so I have run out of this batch compared to previous batches.

simone0414 · 06-05-2012, 06:17 AM

How do you know for sure you are getting water out to acceptable levels?

TurboLs1 · 06-05-2012, 07:00 AM

How do I know? The truck is still running...lol. What is an acceptable level? Larger diesel engines sometimes run mists of water to clean the turbos etc. Some performance guys run mists of water to keep EGT's down. Water is acceptable in the cylinders until it is at a level that compression is too high. Now for the pump, I know similar style pumps are used in some pressure washers, but obviously this is different and I am unsure of the effects of water. I honestly dont think there is enough water to cause any concern though.

maxtrax · 06-05-2012, 07:21 AM

Remember that water running through a high pressure diesel injector will erode the injector very fast and can cause the components inside to corrode. Not to mention that water in your fuel is replacing burnable substance with one that is not flammable. People running water injection have one or multiple injectors in the intake that are designed/dedicated to running water.

airfooter · 06-05-2012, 08:30 AM

Condensation forming in your storage tank is more likely from the air. As your warm oil cools overnight, the tank is pulling in moist air. The moist air condenses on the coolest part of your tank - furthest from the warm oil (usually the top of the tank).

Heating the oil as you pump it into the truck isn't doing anything to the water content...

A max of 500ppm water is the ASTM standard for diesel fuel. That ain't much!! The good news is, the chances are high these droplets of water will fall right thru your oil to the bottom of the tank. As long as yer not sucking off the bottom, you're prolly OK there.

The water/methanol injection you're referring to is NOT in the fuel. It is added to the intake AIR.

Even small amounts of water in your fuel will quickly cause damage to the injectors. Besides the erosion from inadequate lubrication - as that water gets to the injector it rapidly expands into steam in the HOT combustion chamber. In a severe case, this can actually blow the tip off the injector!! Then, the tip is smashed between the piston and the head several 1000 times before whats left of it is ejected thru the exhaust valve. At this point, all that tip and piston debris has to go thru the turbo(s)... But, don't worry too much about the water.

simone0414 · 06-05-2012, 11:53 AM

Water is your biggest enemy. Coolant in your oil is no better. You can filter all you want if your oil is wet you are gonna have problems. Water won't kill injectors in a day but it WILL cause problems over time.

You have a very expensive engine. Do you really want to use that for your water test?? There are tests that can be done to insure your dewatering properly BEFORE you dump it in your tank. I use the Hot pan test. Not sure how well that works on WMO & it for sure won't work on WMO with RUG in it. There are other tests that can be done though.

F-250Truckin was going to try to test WMO for water content. Not sure how that went. Hopefully he will chime in or you could PM him.

TurboLs1 · 07-01-2012, 10:10 PM

Hey everyone. 5500 miles on WMO now. Had a bad batch of oil last week though. The shop I bought from promised there wasnt any water or coolant in the oil, but after processing it and running it a few hundred miles, the filters started clogging up. When I opened the water seperater drain to change the filter, milky oil flowed out. I was in the middle of nowhere in the everglades, so I had to limp for a while taking it easy and topped off with diesel. The truck was hesitating and I later found the milky oil in the filter canister on top of the engine too so I know some of it was ran through the engine. Next batch I ran thinned down to about 60/40 with diesel and the truck is back running fine again with new filters. Definately need to make a little more effort to get the water out. Any good ideas other than adding rug and letting settle for a few days?

Thanks again everyone. The 6.4 seems to be a reliable engine, and runs fine with WMO. I have put 12k miles of heavy towing on her (5500 on oil) without anything but fuel filters due to the WMO. Another update soon.