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Old 08-12-2009, 08:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Parker Hose.

Ok, I've managed to get a little more $ to go toward my conversion and I need to get some bio-diesel safe fuel line.

I'd like to go with Parker Hose.
I called one of their extruders in my area.
The lady seemed to know a lot about her biz and said she could hook me up with a local supplier, but she needed more info.
She said she didn't know of anything they made that was specifically rated for bio-diesel.

So can someone give me a part number or tell me what it is in the bio that eats rubber?
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When I was buying parts to run my 96 PSD on RMO, the fella at the auto parts store told me to use hydraulic hose for the fuel line. He said there is standard and wire reinforced but since I'm not dealing with high pressure he would recommend the standard.
I would imagine it would suffice for your BIO, too.
It was around a buck a foot.
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When I was buying parts to run my 96 PSD on RMO, the fella at the auto parts store told me to use hydraulic hose for the fuel line. ....
It was around a buck a foot.
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The Parker hose is a hydraulic hose.
I'm not specifically planning to run Bio, but since I'm replacing hoses, may ass well keep as many options as possible.

Checking the web, I found a post on another forum where the guy tested a Parker hose #801 against a piece of $4/per foot fuel line. The 801 held up while the other didn't.

I found a Parker distributor near me.
He said the hoses would have to be measured to exact lengths and have crimped end connectors added to them.
It'll be $1.85 per/ft (plus the end pieces) and it will take him a week to get it in

Anyone know if I really need to end pieces?

BTW RoGrrr, what is RMO?

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RMO is what several of us refer to as RECYCLED motor oil, rather than WASTE motor oil. It comes across better that way, ya think ? We're looked upon as being "more GREEN", ya know. stupid farkin liberals. Gotta play the game by their rules....

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The Parker hose is a hydraulic hose.
I'm not specifically planning to run Bio, but since I'm replacing hoses, may ass well keep as many options as possible.

Checking the web, I found a post on another forum where the guy tested a Parker hose #801 against a piece of $4/per foot fuel line. The 801 held up while the other didn't.

I found a Parker distributor near me.
He said the hoses would have to be measured to exact lengths and have crimped end connectors added to them.
It'll be $1.85 per/ft (plus the end pieces) and it will take him a week to get it in

Anyone know if I really need to end pieces?

BTW RoGrrr, what is RMO?
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Regular fuel line hose made to SAE J30R7 specs will not stand up to bio for very long.

Fuel hose made to SAE J30R9, also known as Fuel Injection Hose, will. The price is about $4/ft. vs. $1/ft for the 30R7 hose. 30R9 should be available at any auto parts stores.

There is also a marine fuel line hose made to SAE J427 (IRC the spec number correctly) that is also bio compatible.

I researched both of these hoses several years ago, all I recall about the Parker site was that it was a pain in the butt finding anything useful on it.

Hope this helps.

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RMO is what several of us refer to as RECYCLED motor oil, rather than WASTE motor oil. It comes across better that way, ya think ? We're looked upon as being "more GREEN", ya know. stupid farkin liberals. Gotta play the game by their rules....

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Well, if anyone gives you a hard time about using MO tell them that if you don't burn it, the big freighters will.
Most of the 'recycled' oil is burnt by ships to bring us more wonderful items from china
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Ok, I found a better place to get the line.
It's the Wilson Company in Addison, Tx, and they had it in stock for about $1.30 a ft.
It's Parker hose #801-6 for the 3.8 in.

But I still need 20ft or 5/16 for the return lines.
They can't get that size in a Parker hose, but they have a marine grade, 5/16 inch, #5139-5 for $1.25 per ft.
Anyone know if that will work with bio?
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I just learned that the marine hose they have is rated as SAE 30R2.
I've looked on line, but haven't found if that's good enough for Bio
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I just looked at the SAE30 spec and there is no permeation spec for the 30R2 hose, therefore I doubt that it's good for bio.

30R9 has a very low permeation spec which means it's good for the new aromatic gasolines and bio fuel whereas 30R7 has a much higher number.

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I just looked at the SAE30 spec and there is no permeation spec for the 30R2 hose, therefore I doubt that it's good for bio.

30R9 has a very low permeation spec which means it's good for the new aromatic gasolines and bio fuel whereas 30R7 has a much higher number.

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Thx Albin,
Where do you find the SAE spec descriptions?
I wasn't able to find them online.
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Thx Albin,
Where do you find the SAE spec descriptions?
I wasn't able to find them online.
Although I *think* I'm correct, take what I said with a grain of salt, I was very busy today and didn't really have time to really dig into the SAE spec for R2 parameters.

SAE specs are proprietary and copyright protected. I can get copies of all of them since I work for a very small aerospace company.

And I gave you bad information in one of my posts above about Marine Hoses. The SAE marine hose spec if SAE J1527, not the number I gave you above. It has the same permetion requirement as SAE J30R9, 15g/m>2/24 hours. This is the hose you want to look for bio compatibility.

The spec shows sizes from 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 7/16, and 1/2 and on up to 2 3/8 but that doesn't mean someone makes a hose in that size.


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I was doing some research, and i'm not sure what kind of pressure your looking for, but i used a combination of goodyear 30R9 from auto zone, and some 3/16 Viton tubing from McMaster-Carr

Here is the info on the 30R9
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I would go with the advice of my "out in the country, helping farmers fix their machines" parts man and go with hydraulic hose.
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