which resturant?

[88beast]

ok im looking to start getting wvo to run 20% with gas

im getting a inline fuel heater off a semi shipped here in the next few weeks looking for good prices never hurts

which resturants have the best oil?

ive heard that anyplace with flour coated stuff is worse and mexican places are best (taco bell)

can that be confirmed?

[jordanmills]

You need a diesel engine to run vegetable oil, man. No diesel is going to run on 80% gas.

[88beast]

if you add up to 20% gas to the wvo it lubes and lowers the gell point along with thinning out the wvo (it works ive seen it) and its out there google it just most ppl wont try it

im actually going to run 10% summer 15% winter and the % is gas not wvo

and i think i saw one guy on here running it

[jordanmills]

I'm pretty sure gas reduces lubricity. What I got from your original post is that you were going to run 20% WVO and the rest gas.

[airfooter]

First thing you need to do is blend this concoction you've got in mind and observe it after a few days - warm and cool it a bit to simulate 'real world' conditions. If it seperates at all - ya don't even wanna try.

Then, after you decide that is OK - you'll want to start regular UOA's to monitor the amount of damage you are doing to yer truck. (read the horror stories from DSE users - thats all you are proposing, just w/o the 'secret' ingredient...)

Hell, if its just a beater just blend it till it drops! Save the UOA $$ for the new engine! PLEASE come back and post the destruction photos, we love carnage! The truth is the IDI's may tolerate this better - but I have read studies that conclude VO/diesel blends leave nasty deposits in the combustion chamber (IDI engine after 200 hrs - engine exhibited no signs of damage, btw). Unfortunately, that study preceeds the internet and I cannot 'link' it.

Its kinda funny that all of this was discussed and studied fairly extensively after the 'oil crunch' thing in the early 70's. The book I was reading from the other day was a 1981 US grant study overseen by USDA. They were specifically looking for an alternative for 'farm fuel'.

Oh yeah, the VO. Anyplace that has liquid VO in the dumpster is a useable source. Some will be cleaner than others - stereotypes don't work. Fast food and large chains often use hydrogenated oil. It is not liquid at room temp and provides a looong life in the fryer - neither are good for fuel. The non-liquid stuff is likely not going to stay in solution and its harder to dewater and filter and transfer and collect, etc. The 'long life' provides a disgusting product that is high in soluble fats - again harder to filter/dewater, etc.

Please don't 'steal' VO from someone else's container. Arrange to have the restraunt save the VO seperately for you - buckets, cubies, your drum, etc. Stealing makes us ALL look bad by casting an ugly light on what we are doing. Theft is currently being likened to the 'tweakers' stealing metals, we don't want folks to associate us with bums/drug addicts... Thanks in advance - GOOD LUCK!

[88beast]

i understand the steal thing
i didnt know thats basicly dse i have heard the stories and i dont like them but the guy who will be helping me with this has been doing it on the same 7.3 idi for years (1994) and its been fine hes actually a local diesel mech and does great work but hes realy busy now and i didnt get a chance to talk too much

so liquid at room temp means its good? thanks for the help

[Sushibob64]

Hey Beast , my 88 is doing fine on the dse blend and is much quieter.Make sure you let the oil settle for at least 2 weeks or more before you blend and filter. You have to have patience if you are a blender like me.Good luck.Your 88 7.3 will love the "juice". Rob

[88beast]

rob are you doing the start on diesel run dse mix/wvo then shut off on diesel?

did you change over the orings to viton? or just not bother i heard rubber ones leak with pure wvo i dont know for a mix though

[Sushibob64]

Hey Beast, Yes , I start and finish on reg diesel and run blend most of the time.
I did change the orings and hoses . I believe the new orings from ford are ok and the hoses from Autozone are good too.No problems on the 92 after 10000 miles and the 88 w/ 1000..Any questions, just email, Rob

[airfooter]

Originally Posted by Sushibob64

Hey Beast , my 88 is doing fine on the dse blend and is much quieter.

I get a kick when I hear this anymore. What makes you think 'quieter' is better?

I think 'quieter' may be an indication of less complete combustion (due to poor atomization from a more viscous fuel). But, y'all are screwing with a tough damn engine - it may be just fine!

I should add this to my sig "Please post images of the carnage if it breaks!"

At $4.50/gal diesel (here in the NW) I'm sure there will be plenty of 'experimenters' who will learn the same lessons. Y'all seem to forget these are not 'brand new ideas'. There was alot of scientific research done in the 70's and 80's regarding blending - MO/ATF/VO/WVO/etc. I've seen some of the studies and the great photos of the destroyed engines they produced (mostly IDI's - they do talk about the 'new DI engines' in at least one of the later studies I read...

Unfortunately, none of these studies are readily 'available online' and many are even out-of-print - so all you internet savy folks are left with is the advice from people w/limited (and often exaggerated) 'experience' to draw conclusions from.

I think MANY of them will never post the images I'm requesting because they are too proud to admit they were wrong. Worse yet, they may even continue to offer bad advice for the same reason.

Thanks and Good Luck!

[88beast]

thanks and airfooter i understand the risk but i do not have time space or the money for full bio and if i use a mix i can make it up in less time making it affordable to me its a necesity for my small budget i have now

[luke7.3]

what have you heard in regads to using an atf/diesel mix

[luckuslucas]

Originally Posted by airfooter

I get a kick when I hear this anymore. What makes you think 'quieter' is better?

I think 'quieter' may be an indication of less complete combustion (due to poor atomization from a more viscous fuel). But, y'all are screwing with a tough damn engine - it may be just fine!

I've heard that the only reason that its quieter is that the combustion curve is different, not that you're having less complete combustion. If you look at the diesel cycle on a PV diagram, the isentropic expansion curve of vegetable oil supposedly has a different shape than that of diesel, hence the different sound. I don't know how much truth there is to this, but it at least makes sense.

[luckuslucas]

Originally Posted by luke7.3

what have you heard in regads to using an atf/diesel mix

ATF has additives so that it won't burn up in your transmission, so it's not going to burn very well in your engine either. Don't do it.

[88beast]

luckuslucas what is youre setup on the bus ive seen youre pics and im wondering what youre running and how it works

and yes atf is a nono in the engine its hard to burn and needs to be used hard for it to even start to burn as good as diesel the wvo also is more easily aviable