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Old 12-13-2005, 07:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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small test batch? update and question?

ok, if you make small test batch, will it hurt not to filter it? it is only a little bit, say you make it, wash it, heat it, and settle it, can you then just pour it? the reason i ask is at small amounts i'm not set up to filter it like that? i've got my finish filter just no finish pump yet. or should i just store it till i get everthing set up? anybody got suggestions?
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: small test batch?

Are we talking about the 1 liter sized batches? I do those all the time before making a larger batch to make sure my titration amounts are correct.

I just pour off the biodiesel into my truck and dump the glycerin on the ground.

If you're talking 1 Liter in a 80L (15 gallon) tank, it isnt that much to worry about. If you're also running #2 diesel in that tank, just use it as a lubricity additive for your fuel.
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Re: small test batch?

On the 1L batches, do you wash/dry or just dump and run it?
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Re: small test batch?

I'd just run it- just make sure you don't pour any glycerol into your tank along with the biodiesel .

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Re: small test batch?

well i've got parts and alot started as far as set up. i'll try to get pics soon, i've made some test batches (some soap, some sterno, etc..) i've learned what not to do and what a failed batch looks like, even tried to break them? (no luck?) i even learned the gal to liter conv. the hard way! lol i did all wash and settle and heat just to see what it was like.
on my truck i have a racor water fuel seperator with a 2 micron filter, then my fuel filter. i just wanted some other info?
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Re: small test batch?

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I'd just run it- just make sure you don't pour any glycerol into your tank along with the biodiesel .

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ok i poured it in, it was washed and had been setting for a while, does used oil make the finished bio darker? and if you mess up a batch can you add meth and break the mess? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Re: small test batch?

finished bio can be multiple different colors depending on oil type as well as new/used...as far as breaking emulsions, i have been successful in breaking them with the glycerin as long as the emulsion was heated to aobut 80-90 degrees.
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Re: small test batch?

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...as far as breaking emulsions, i have been successful in breaking them with the glycerin as long as the emulsion was heated to aobut 80-90 degrees.

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the emulsion is this only when it does not seperate? what i did was only put enough methoxide for 2 batches and added too much oil, (my mistake was in the math, now i know iqt is 1.3l lol so if i add methoxide to this and reprocess will it break?
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Re: small test batch?

As per diefinition page.....
Emulsion - a usually unstable dispersion of two liquids which do not normally mix (they are immiscible). Emulsions can be formed either by mechanical aggitation, or by chemical processes. Unstable emulstions will separate over time or temperature, stable emulsions will not separate.
Example is if you shake the 1 liter test batch with the first was water.....makes one layer of mess.....no separate layer of water and biodieselEmulsion - a usually unstable dispersion of two liquids which do not normally mix (they are immiscible). Emulsions can be formed either by mechanical aggitation, or by chemical processes. Unstable emulstions will separate over time or temperature, stable emulsions will not separate.
I think what you are talking about is an incomplete reaction of oil due to lack of enough chemicals....if thats the case then just reprocess the product with the correct amounts and you should see more glycerin drop out of the biodiesel....this is by the way a good way to do quality control of your product anyway to ensure complete processing.....good luck
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ok i'll try
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Re: small test batch?

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(my mistake was in the math, now i know iqt is 1.3l lol

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Ummm...I think you have that backwards...a liter is more than a quart...by .05. Like this: 1 liter = 1.05quarts or 1 quart = 0.94l. LOL indeed! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

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Ummm...I think you have that backwards...a liter is more than a quart...by .05. Like this: 1 liter = 1.05quarts or 1 quart = 0.94l. LOL indeed! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/warmsmile.gif[/img]

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just figuers why i failed alg. 3 yrs in a row!!!!!!!! lol [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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