Reading the ad's is fun to do with the claims they make for increased mpg's.
Working at the bottom of their claims I would take two years to break even.
Anyone else out there have one?
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1996 F-250 extended cab long box five speed. Home made Tymar, 203 Stat, 60 gal in bed fuel cell, 315/75's, no muffler, ebpv welded open 3" to 3" DP, Babies. 290K, still chugging, and still smoking when cold.
UPDATED 1/1/09 Replace so far. 1 LUK flywheel+clutch, 2 thermostats, 2 set of brakes, 1 set of calipers, 5 CPS, 3 sets of tires, 2 Transfer pumps, 1 Injector modual, 1 Computer, 2 Alt, 2 sets of batteries, 1 Water pump, 6 Belts, 1 PS hose, 2 Sets ball joints, 2 set u-joints, 2 carrier bearing, 2 Speed sensors, 1 oil pres sender, 1 temp sender, 4 sets of e-break cables, 1 front fuel tank, 2 rear fuel tanks, 2 set of glow plugs, 7 Glow plug relays, Oil galley o-rings, Turbo pedistal o-rings, EBPV o-rings, 3 sets of Injector O-rings, 1 Vac-pump, 1 new carpet, 1 total paint job.Total $$$ in repairs v/s miles driven = 4.6 cents per mile. Add fuel to that it jumps to 16.5 cents per mile over the life of the truck.
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Reason: spelling
Let's not open yet another redundant thread on the topic.
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November 5, 2008: The fat lady sang. Back to actually working for a living.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles. Hella headlights, (highly recommended) DOT C-2 back end. (also recommended) R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. 4.1:1 rear axle converted to 3.4:1.
9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation due to rust.
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... The world isn't going to last long enough to break even on one of these scams.
It depends whether you're buying or selling.
People selling hydrogen generators for cars & trucks recover their initial investment and start turning a profit pretty fast.
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Douglas Campbell
November 5, 2008: The fat lady sang. Back to actually working for a living.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles. Hella headlights, (highly recommended) DOT C-2 back end. (also recommended) R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. 4.1:1 rear axle converted to 3.4:1.
9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation due to rust.
It depends whether you're buying or selling.
People selling hydrogen generators for cars & trucks recover their initial investment and start turning a profit pretty fast.
Clean Hydrogen!!!!! Makes me laugh. To make the major amount of hydrogen needed to actually run a car or truck you/we need major power, like reactor power and a lot of it. On the other hand there is COLD hydrogen fusion! NOT!
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Want to call? I'm in the book. Want to argue....First explain the square root of negative one....lol
I will do some reading, but I still have a bunch of what if's????????????
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1996 F-250 extended cab long box five speed. Home made Tymar, 203 Stat, 60 gal in bed fuel cell, 315/75's, no muffler, ebpv welded open 3" to 3" DP, Babies. 290K, still chugging, and still smoking when cold.
UPDATED 1/1/09 Replace so far. 1 LUK flywheel+clutch, 2 thermostats, 2 set of brakes, 1 set of calipers, 5 CPS, 3 sets of tires, 2 Transfer pumps, 1 Injector modual, 1 Computer, 2 Alt, 2 sets of batteries, 1 Water pump, 6 Belts, 1 PS hose, 2 Sets ball joints, 2 set u-joints, 2 carrier bearing, 2 Speed sensors, 1 oil pres sender, 1 temp sender, 4 sets of e-break cables, 1 front fuel tank, 2 rear fuel tanks, 2 set of glow plugs, 7 Glow plug relays, Oil galley o-rings, Turbo pedistal o-rings, EBPV o-rings, 3 sets of Injector O-rings, 1 Vac-pump, 1 new carpet, 1 total paint job.Total $$$ in repairs v/s miles driven = 4.6 cents per mile. Add fuel to that it jumps to 16.5 cents per mile over the life of the truck.
After reading in their entirety two of the hydrogen threads, one thing seems to not be mentioned by either thought group.
On one hand are those who have seemed to try it, and say that it works. Fine (great for them). Then there are those who say the "Laws of thermodynamics or physics dictate that it cannot be so. Also fine, and great for them.
Has anyone even considered the remote possibilty that the "Laws" as we know them could be incomplete or wrong? Just because no one has created an answer for or against the Law, does it mean that the law cannot be or is not able to be broken?
I keep reading the same response over and over here or at different sites, "Have you tried it? No?, Please just try it and then come back and tell us that it did not work, and what you did or did not do--to help us that have tried it understand more from your unsuccess, and improve what we have been successful at become more improved"
No I have not yet tried it, I will when other projects are completed and out of the way. But until I fail after my attempts, I find it inacceptable to naysay to/against either side.
From what I have read at different places at this site, we all want better, better, best for our fellow sidekicks. We are all in this together.
After reading in their entirety two of the hydrogen threads, one thing seems to not be mentioned by either thought group.
On one hand are those who have seemed to try it, and say that it works. Fine (great for them). Then there are those who say the "Laws of thermodynamics or physics dictate that it cannot be so. Also fine, and great for them.
Has anyone even considered the remote possibilty that the "Laws" as we know them could be incomplete or wrong? Just because no one has created an answer for or against the Law, does it mean that the law cannot be or is not able to be broken?
I keep reading the same response over and over here or at different sites, "Have you tried it? No?, Please just try it and then come back and tell us that it did not work, and what you did or did not do--to help us that have tried it understand more from your unsuccess, and improve what we have been successful at become more improved"
No I have not yet tried it, I will when other projects are completed and out of the way. But until I fail after my attempts, I find it inacceptable to naysay to/against either side.
From what I have read at different places at this site, we all want better, better, best for our fellow sidekicks. We are all in this together.
Well said
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... Has anyone even considered the remote [possibility] that the "Laws" as we know them could be incomplete or wrong? ...
Sure. I actually look forward to it.
But it takes more than, "Hey, I built one of those and it was really sweet" or
"I put an electric motor and two AA batteries into my 1979 Pacer and drove to Hoboken."
In all the religious fervor surrounding Brown's Gas, I have never heard anybody come forward with a credible claim such as, "We ran ten consecutive FTP72 tests on the same day on the same course, five with the unit turned on and five with it turned off, and saw X change in fuel consumption with Y variation from test to test.
Let alone something like "The theory of fugacity is incomplete or incorrect; it doesn't account for this specific and repeatable effect which we observed in field trials ... "
If it's real, show me.
That isn't too much to ask, is it?
In the thirty-plus years people have been hawking these things, nobody has.
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... we all want better, better, best for our fellow sidekicks. We are all in this together.
Which is precisely why I so ardently advise NOT farting around with Brown's Gas generators on internal-combustion engines, and learning some science & technology instead.
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November 5, 2008: The fat lady sang. Back to actually working for a living.
1986 Isuzu P'up, 177,673.8 miles. Hella headlights, (highly recommended) DOT C-2 back end. (also recommended) R-12 air conditioner converted to R-406a. 4.1:1 rear axle converted to 3.4:1.
9/22/2007, age 21: Still running well when reluctantly sent away for reincarnation due to rust.
Not affiliated with the Campbell Soup Company.
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Markekberg,
I have made and installed a "smacks" type booster in my 6.0 . had some problems getting it right, but now i am runnig it all the time. mpg was 16.4 hwy runing 75/25 bio/dino. i have increased mpg to 24.8 hwy consistantly, for the last 5 1/2 months. went on vacation in early aug. & got 17.1 pulling a 30' 5th wheel camper. 9300lbs. compared to 12/13 mpg. I can't say any long term problems, just great mpg's . this modiied "smacks" boosterputs out 1.4 liter p/min. draws 29amps full load, and uses a 30 amp pwm. total cost $109.00
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05 6.0 F 250 fresh air intake home-brew biodiesel HHo generator 24.8 mpg hwy. 17.1 mpg w/30ft 5thwheel .Say it doesn't work!!!
I think the thing most people don't understand is that we are not trying to run our trucks and cars on Hydrogen. The hydrogen is used to improve the burn rate to better burn the fuel, be it gas or diesel, more efficiently.
bioman23
Nice to hear of people having good results. I am still in the process of building mine. If it goes at least half as good as making biodiesel has gone I will be very pleased.
Randy
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ran440,
one of the issues i had was point of injection. make sure you inject behind the maf. sensor, pre turbo. no mileage gains will be seen if you inject in front of it, it sees the hho as oxy. and richens the mixture. also reset your pcm to get max results. it needs to relearn after the installation. good luck!
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05 6.0 F 250 fresh air intake home-brew biodiesel HHo generator 24.8 mpg hwy. 17.1 mpg w/30ft 5thwheel .Say it doesn't work!!!
yeh got lots of em. and plans to build several different designs. pm me w/your email address and i'll e mail them to you. i don't have them on a pic server. youtube.com has lots of videos also. just search "hho" in videos. your head will swirl with all the info. here is the "smacks' basic design that i use. http://www.smacksboosters.110mb.com/ I had a problem with the screw on cap (Leaks)and made an o ring sealed top plate out of lexan and a 4" cpvc flange (van stone) and removed the flange . He gives a complete list of materials, supplier etc. great guy that wants to share info. you can also purchase one but they are too easy to build.
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05 6.0 F 250 fresh air intake home-brew biodiesel HHo generator 24.8 mpg hwy. 17.1 mpg w/30ft 5thwheel .Say it doesn't work!!!
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