Someone talk to me about a hydrogen gen.

[bioman23]

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i uploaded some picts to my profile. check em out.

[knapp]

I have been experimenting with HHO. built units with wire spirals mounted on persplex frame.
Fitted to independant persons vehicle for testes.He was a nayer.
Six diesel tank s full three with and three without over 3,000 Km and his assesment was approx 10 % saving.
Downside the wire was eaten away. But he still wants a unit.
Now building up a tube in a tube unit bigger and more surface area.
We will soon have the results of this unit.
Have a wire unit fitted to the "F" and also a Ford trader truck on 2/1 mix diesel and WMO.
No figures on these units as not suitable usage for recording.
The old nayer you dont get anything for nothing is right
But if you use x units of power to produce xx units of power adding the power of hydrogen you get a net increase.
More experimenting required when time allows.
Regards
Ron

[TN Diesel]

I am in the process of building a smacks booster I was wandering what some results were thanks for the info!!!

[RockinOnDiesel]

Before this thread gets out of control in a heated debate about physics and scientific principals, I wanted to bring up an idea that no one has ever suggested before in any of these threads.

I realize that it takes energy from the alternator to provide the power for the generator to produce hydrogen... but hydrogen is just a supplementary fuel. As I know it these PSD's can be pretty inefficient with the amount of wasted fuel they just spit down the tailpipe. From what I gather, it seems like some additional combustion in the chamber due to hydrogen would have a very similar effect to something like propane injection which is commonly regarded as a power and mileage booster. They just burn the excess fuel in combustion chamber, and that makes more power and therefore can increase mileage.

Any thoughts on this?

[Mark Kovalsky]

No, no thoughts on your idea. It would take a heated discussion on physics and chemistry, and that's been done to death.

But since we all know the PSD is so inefficient that it just spits raw fuel down the tailpipe, and we all know because of this a PSD will get worse fuel economy than a highly efficient V10 gas engine, this must be the new breakthrough the world is waiting for.

[drcampbell]

Originally Posted by RockinOnDiesel

... wasted fuel they just spit down the tailpipe.

Also known as "white smoke" when fuel doesn't ignite at all and "black smoke" when fuel burns incompletely. Got any of that?

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky

No, no thoughts on your idea. It would take a heated discussion on physics and chemistry, and that's been done to death.

But since we all know the PSD is so inefficient that it just spits raw fuel down the tailpipe, and we all know because of this a PSD will get worse fuel economy than a highly efficient V10 gas engine, this must be the new breakthrough the world is waiting for.

Exactly. How much should be expected from so much inefficiency? I don't see where hydrogen generation/injection is removing friction or heat and putting that into locomotion and efficiency. The amount of "wasted fuel put down the tail pipe" is how much? Simple science has numbers on that.

[soupdog]

i made some and put three on my lil 82 s10 ,,,worked good,,,and put two on my 91 f250,,,don't know bout mileage claims cuz my gauge don't work but it holds cruise on the hills now and has more power,,,am a believer,,,have a new one i am gonna put on when it gets a lil warmer, its made out of a water filter housing,,,will see then

[drcampbell]

Originally Posted by Super_Dave

... The amount of "wasted fuel put down the tail pipe" is how much?

The unburned hydrocarbon content of a modern engine's exhaust gas, before aftertreatment, is typically less than 0.1% (1,000 parts per million) unless the engine's misfiring. The instruments we use to measure it only range up to 1%. (10,000 parts per million)

Even if you included the soot content of a Diesel engine running on the verge of overfueling, you'd still be under 1%.

[hydrocolorado]

Originally Posted by MarkEkberg

Reading the ad's is fun to do with the claims they make for increased mpg's.

Working at the bottom of their claims I would take two years to break even.

Anyone else out there have one?

In a responce to your question I have been testing HHO on big trucks for the past two years and I have found out some really cool things. One 99.9 percent of the cells designs out there would not last over a month on a big truck, talking over the road trucks here. The cells turn to rust and over amp, I use my own design and I have been running 4 units on test trucks for the past 4 months straight the water inside of the cells is still clear as the day I started running them. In responce to your testing question I am seeing great repeatable results on all of my test trucks.

I have just made a deal with Stewart & Stevenson to give my units an offical test. we are going to pull the computer data from the Detroit engine before we install the cell and pull the data again after 30 days. The truck will be on a dedicated run from Denver co to Rock Springs WY it makes the run 5 days a week with the mail. This will answer once an for all if HHO works. I am also in contact with the Cummins rep, wish HHO luck.

[Super_Dave]

Originally Posted by hydrocolorado

...I have been testing HHO on big trucks for the past two years...

So, what do your logs say?

[hydrocolorado]

I have posted my own owner operator results on my testing page on www.hydrocolorado. com
I will be installing the on the Detroit test truck June 17th 2009