Testing an HHO system on my 1991 7.3L NA

[bucketeer]

Holy Socks Batman.
I just found this, talk about getting side tracked.
I know what my next project is going to be :-)
Sorry for the segway but this here info is exciten.
It's a safe link...
High amp alternator

The price of energy can now be cut in half.
Every little bit helps.

[bucketeer]

Sorry I didn't reply sooner Jasnom11
I am usually down about a half quart every couple of fill ups.
No smoke when I am pulling hills but this truck thinks it is out to pasture with the light duty it gets now. I think I got me a good one. Knock on wood very little trouble except I can't pull fuel from the rear tank but I expect when I take it apart I will find the pickup laying in the bottom of the tank. ;-) Thinking about relocating the second tank to the area under the cross box. It is kind of wasted space. Just got to figure out where to put the filler. Just waiting for all the parts to get here for the project, then the fun begins. Happy Holidays,

[bucketeer]

Originally Posted by Mark Kovalsky

The only rules you are violating are the laws of physics, but you don't want to hear about that.

Have you noticed that there are alternators on the market that put out twice as much current for the same horsepower input.
They had to revise Einsteins absolute theory of relativity and adjust the equations after they discovered string theory. Also when they thought they had one parallel universe they have revised it up to 13. (My bet is that it is infinite)
Now there is belief that over-unity is possible by manipulating magnetic phase angles in a rotating device. There is so much we have yet to learn. Concepts are not cast in stone my friend.

[RT]

They make twice the power by generating a warp field which bends the space between the stator so the rotor windings gets there faster. Speeding up the electrons helps too.


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[drcampbell]

Originally Posted by bucketeer

... there are alternators on the market that put out twice as much current for the same horsepower input. ...

Designing an alternator with an 80% conversion efficiency, instead of the usual 40%, doesn't require rewriting the laws of physics.

[bucketeer]

You are right , What I was trying to point out is it does change the knee of the curve when computing input to output efficiency in a given system. I have been getting so many postings on other sites that just astound me.
I have heard so many times from those that haven't any idea of how much HHO it takes in a given engine to make any kind of change. Be it the goal of emission cleanup, torque increase or MPH. That just quote the old dogma "You will never get enough output to offset the input voltage / current required so don't try anything that disagrees with me." If I get the same alternator output power using half the horsepower it does change the I/O calculations and the overall system efficiency Doesn't it.?

[drinkypoo]

More efficiency means more power output for a given power input.

Now, demonstrate a proportionally greater improvement in efficiency.

[drcampbell]

I don't have a clue what "the knee of the curve" is and I'm no longer sure what you're trying to accomplish. I thought it was emissions, but today it's efficiency?

The efficiency of an idling engine is, by definition, zero. It's consuming fuel and not doing any useful work, just overcoming its own internal friction. Installing a more-efficient alternator won't change that.

To understand what's going on, try calculating the mass balance and energy balance in consistent units.

Assuming: 7.3 liters, 600 rev/min, 1 gallon of #2 Diesel fuel per hour, 2 liter-per-minute bubble machine.

Air:     158.0 kg/hour
#2:        3.3 kg/hour
Hydrogen:  0.007 kg/hour
Oxygen:    0.057 kg/hour

The air:fuel ratio is about 48:1, way leaner than stoichiometric. NOx will be a significant part of the emissions, which becomes nitrous & nitric acids when exposed to moisture. (and probably what's burning your eyes)



Do the same with energy:

Air:          zero
#2:        152,000 kiloJoules/hour
Hydrogen:      860 kiloJoules/hour
Oxygen:       zero

[bucketeer]

Thank you so much for your post Douglas. I apologize for even posting any comments regarding efficiency. I have been bombarded with PM's on the subject and I posted some replies to the wrong venue. I have built several gas generators for use with torches over many years so I am not new to the possibilities. Ie: A solar, wind, water charged battery bank can make free heat. I hate the feeling that I feel I have to defend my search for knowledge and sometimes I get carried away. ;-)

At this point I am only working on emissions cleanup.
Just found this info about IP metering:
When the desired amount of fuel has been injected the spill port opens (located under the control sleeve in the figure), and the pressure quickly drops. This causes the delivery valve to close. During the rest of the stroke fuel is "spilled" through the spill port instead of being injected into the cylinder.
The position of the control sleeve controls at what angle the spill port opens, and thus determines the amount of fuel injected, in other words it controls the metering. The control sleeve is moved in response to a combination of accelerator position and engine speed. The latter is determined by a mechanical governor

In our IDI's where is the governor they refer to?
Control by TP only?
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Still waiting for parts to arrive but working on the proj. control box and a new instrument panel to accommodate additional side view cameras, monitors, touch screen radio and gps.

[drinkypoo]

The governor is in the injection pump. If you don't have a stanadyne test rig you're going to have a good time trying to tweak it. You need to partner with a fuel injection shop. Good luck though, because they've certainly heard of HHO.

[Xeonpony]

Sory but that isn't free heat in your batteries, that is energy lossed due to cell inefficiency. You can recover the heat to keep the batteries happy during cold but make no mistake the heat is not free, it is a loss plain and simple.

Hydrogen is not a fuel, it is a battery it suffers the same efficiency problems durring charging of the battery, That is the first mistaken concept people need to correct them selfs of, H2 is a battery but never will it be a primary fuel due to mass and volumetric capacity

[bucketeer]

Originally Posted by drinkypoo

The governor is in the injection pump. If you don't have a stanadyne test rig you're going to have a good time trying to tweak it. You need to partner with a fuel injection shop. Good luck though, because they've certainly heard of HHO.

Never crossed my mind to touch the IP. I just wanted to know how it works. You have injected a great idea tho. Maybe I should have it checked out to make sure it is working properly. If it is the original, it has been running a long time. Maybe that is why I use a tank a day and the fumes are so strong... It just might be just like me and almost all worn out! LOL
There is a shop up the road that said they would rebuild my Herc D2300 injectors. I'll ask them.

[Johnnybgood]

Still waiting for an update.

[bucketeer]

I got the flow meter and the dampers are pretty beat up afraid one will leak. They look like spin on fuel filters and go for $50 each but I don't want any leaks so I have to bite the bullet and get new ones ordered. Most of the parts are here but I am still waiting for the digital timer, the current limiting modules and the multi turn pots so I can start the layout and assembling of the control console.
I am trying to work around Christmas but family duties keep getting in the way. They do come first ;-) I figured out if I relocate the washer reservoir I can make a removable panel to mount everything on that can be tested on the bench then transferred into the vehicle for testing. Without the instrumentation evaluating performance would be like using a wet finger in a windstorm to measure wind speed. Soon my friends, soon.

[Bwanar]

How about an update? It's been almost a month now. Interested to see how things are coming along! Thanks.