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Old 09-24-2012, 07:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Water Injection

Let's have a complete look at Water Injection. Who actually has it, how well do they like it, does it do what they expect? Problems? Problems solved by water injection. Pictures of your set up. Where did you get parts, how did you build it. Give us the goods. Time to quit just nibbling around the edges of this. If it works, we need it and need to know how to do it.
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Here is a pretty good writeup on parts and a DIY system.

Do It Yourself Water Alcohol Methanol Injection

I ran this basic setup on a turbo diesel pulling tractor, only experience I ever had with Water/Meth injection and ran a 50/50 mix. Once I got to large a nozzle in it and it would literally run liquid down the sides of the stack after a run...and there was no lack of performance. Lucky I didn't hydro lock it.
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Jerry, I would suggest you just buy a kit & try it. It's going to cost you about 250 bucks for a stage 1 which is all you need. They are pretty straight forward to install. If it resloves your smoking problem it won't take very long for you to know & it will be the best money you ever spent. If it doesn't you can sell the kit & get at least half your money back.

There are a few guys running WI who run WVO. They are running a 2 tank system which doesn't normally produce smoke so it is hard to know how much WI is helping.

If it works for you then everyone on here will be doing it.
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Not the first-hand experience you are looking for, but a friend in NJ has something like 80k miles on a WI system in his Vegistroked 7.3 Excursion. He was running big (smokey ) split-shot injectors for most of that. Never had any issues and recently pulled injectors for an 'upgrade'. The old sticks looked good. I was always worried about his set-up because I've always felt like his VO system ('stock' V3 system) did not heat the oil enough at 130* pre-heads in summer and under 100* in coooold weather.

I'll try to send him a link to this thread and get him to post his experience first-hand...

I've still not bothered with WI simply because after tearing down 2 engines with over 100k on SVO - there was NO EVIDENCE of 'alt fuels' in the combustion chambers...
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Hi all, airfooter asked me to get in on this.

Here is my water background-

2000 Excursion 250k on truck
135k on wvo with Vegistroke V3- (What a excellent system!)
Been spraying water for about 80k
Water system is a Cooling Mist CMGS, injecting based on boost and egt- 2 maps. Single nozzle is about 250cc/m


I run straight hose water except for winter when I add just enough wwf to keep it from freezing.

I pulled my HyperMax splits after about 90k of wvo use and they looked normal, no unusual buildup on the nozzel, they were used injectors when I got them also-(see pic). I started running water because of the big a$$ nozzles on the HyperMax sticks and was worried about coking from the constant haze I had when on wvo. I probably ran 60k between stock injectors and the Max's before ever starting the water injection.

I can spray 7 gallons in 350 miles or less if towing the camper, it helps keep the egts down and should keep the engine clean.

I now run single shots that burn much cleaner but will continue to spray the water. I have never noticed any mileage increase or a power bump but I use very little meth.

Has the water saved my engine? Got me, I think it can help keep things clean over many many thousands of miles.
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Well, this is a start. The nozzle is very clean, looks good. I would really like for someone running WMO and WI to chime in. This looks like it could really work. I'm thinking I need to pull my sticks when they are coked up just to take pics and post so every one could see. Then if I ran WI and it cleaned up that would make a great set of pics to help everyone. With winter coming and me in need of projects, maybe this is it. I should be cheaper and easier than a two tank setup although, I think I'm going there anyway.

Good start, lets keep it going.
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Well, this is a start. The nozzle is very clean, looks good. I would really like for someone running WMO and WI to chime in. This looks like it could really work. I'm thinking I need to pull my sticks when they are coked up just to take pics and post so every one could see. Then if I ran WI and it cleaned up that would make a great set of pics to help everyone. With winter coming and me in need of projects, maybe this is it. I should be cheaper and easier than a two tank setup although, I think I'm going there anyway.

Good start, lets keep it going.
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It was new, not anymore. My 2012 3500 Ram now has 25K got it last Oct, it is been running on WMO with 70CC water injection and HOD. This is fully deleted engine with a XRT Pro set on hot, many with the same set up would blow black smoke on D2. The WI is 100 psi, running full time. I just picked a new project to run on WMO (1983 300D benz). I'll take a moment this week end and take photo of the WI in the Ram. It is a simple set up:

6 gal tank from USPlastic (28.00)
70CC or 1 gph nozzle (15.00)
100 PSI pump from Nothern tools (59.99 amozon)
I elected to use HDPE tubing from Loews and used barb fittings so I can change the configuration if needed. It is full time after idle, I use boost pressure switch to activate the system.

Pump is mounted along the frame under the cab, tank is mounted in the toolbox. The AFE intake installed had pre-drilled holes to accept WI nozzle. If you are running WMO or WVO, running WI is a must. to make that even a sweat deal, add a HOD.
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Koya, I am interested in the WI system you made. Pics man, where are the pics!!
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Here's several photos of my WI, my apologies for not including any description with them, but you guys are smarter than I you'll figure it out. The photo with two brash fittings is the AFE intake elbow. The top fitting is for my HOD, the one on the side is the 70cc nozzle (1 gph).

The pump is mounted between the skid plate of the transfer case and the cab, I fabricated a "L" bracket and a platform out of SS. Since I use a lot of SS for the HOD, I thought I would use it. The tank mounted in the toolbox, and the outlet under the tolbox. All of the tubing is from Loews, (1/2") HDPE. The white tube, I use to have a boost pressure switch to control it. I decided to add a on and off switch instead, it is running full time unless I am in a stop and go traffice. hence the switch, the reservoir you can get from USPlastice for 25.00 plus shipping. DO NOT PAY 100.00 PLUS FROM THOSE OVER PRICED SET UP.

The nozzle out if IN makes them, I'll get the info and post. I like these model because it treads in like a fitting.

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Thanks for the pics, I am interested in making a wi kit for the 2 trucks I have running on WMO.

Can you post a pic of your HOD cell. I bought all of the material to make one and never did anything with it. How are you powering it?

Might need to start a new post for that one since it isn't related to wi.

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Great stuff. I have to plead ignorance. What is an HOD? I have some WMO to pick up and a little other to do and then I'm thinking I will get started on this. Stand by to lead the ignorant.
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From what I've read so far on WI I don't know if it would be worth having on a non turbo 7.3 IDI. I run W80 for fuel 95% of the time, and only pull a 5'er or a car trailer 1-2x a month. It sounds very intriguing, and I already have all the parts but a pump.
I think I'm also going to try a hydrogen HHO/HOD setup on my truck.
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Hey jga2Z - we have had a number of NA diesels use a modified setup to use our injection system. They report good results with some increased power and lower EGTs, just not the same ease of use or as large increases as turbocharged.
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Great stuff. I have to plead ignorance. What is an HOD? I have some WMO to pick up and a little other to do and then I'm thinking I will get started on this. Stand by to lead the ignorant.
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HOD= Hydrogen on Demand, it is because of these system (the unit I use are my design) that I am experiecing great result with my trucks and cars running WMO(2012 00ram 3500, 1984 300D and 1985 300SD. The hydrogen acts a cathalyst during combustion which promotes complete burn during combustion and assist in removing carbon build up.
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non turbo 7.3 IDI. I run W80 for fuel 95% of the time,
hey, how clean is your exhaust (unloaded; idle and on road)? i have a theory that a turbo aids in combustion (less smoke), probably less than hot fuel would.
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