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Old 01-05-2013, 09:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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water in my W85

i work really hard at separating the water from the oil. i never take from the bottom and i most likely discard good oil trying to be safe. until i can get a centrifuge i have some questions

with W85 does ethanol free gas really make a better product?

can ethanol become water like in holding?

i do my best but its not working enough. I love running W85. who can beat 47 cents a gallon. i am grateful for your input on this matter and my the Lord bless you and your vehicles.

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An upflow system helps a lot in eliminating water and antifreeze from oil. I use if for every batch I run. It is cheap, simple, effective and costs nothing to run. There are a number of threads that contain information about it here. All you need is a couple of good quality 55 gallon drums, a length of 2" auto exhaust pipe, some valves and a little welding and you are in business. Get a short lenght of 2" pipe, cut it in half. Measure the exhaust pipe so that it comes down to about 8" above the bottom of the lower barrel, cut it there and insert it in one half of the 2" pipe. Weld on the cut end so the threads are not damaged on the other end. Weld the two halves of 2" pipe back together where you cut it. Screw the pipe into the lower barrel so that the exhaust is above the bottom. Cut the second barrel in half or maybe a little longer than that for your top barrel. Screw it onto the stub of 2" pipe. Make sure that the 3/4 bung is securly closed on the top barrel. Plumb the bottom 3/4" bung so that you have a valve to control the flow and plumb it into the mixing barrel you are going to use. I put a Banjo strainer between my barrels to pick up any solids that might tag along on the flow. Crack the valve so pressure can release on the lower barrel, then fill both barrels until you get flow. Close the bottom barrel and complete the fill of the top barrel. When you are filled, cover the open top of the upper barrel. Crack the valve so you get a very slow flow (two days to fill your mixing barrel to the right amount). Water, solids, really heavy petroleum products and antifreeze gets left behind in the bottom barrel and can be drained off the bottom. Your going to need a valve down there and that is easy to do with a bulkhead fitting. Every batch of fuel I make goes through an upflow and I do not have problems with water.

Most of the people on this forum use gas with ethanol to make their W85. I have ethanol free gas available in my area so I use it. I don't think it is an issue if you keep making fresh fuel as you use it and don't let large batches sit for a long period of time.
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How much water? I use IBCs, let the oil settle for at least a week, and drain each evening. Then 'fuge.

I've been using my wmo/k1 mix for 6 months without any fuel or filter problems. RUG makes my engine smoke like a nasty bbq grill.
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I use the up flow system just as Jerry described. In hindsight I guess I would use 30 gallon drums instead of 55. I have yet use a batch out of it besause I have not gathered enough oil yet. I have access to a bunch of 30gallon drums though but probably will not change it over.

Revjon, I thought you had the system with the bags that removes water.
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I have the blue grass system. but the lid came off and the bags got soaked and sit in water for days. I heard you can dry then out but I am not sure. and its enough to have to drain my filter morethan once in two weeks.
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I have the blue grass system. but the lid came off and the bags got soaked and sit in water for days. I heard you can dry then out but I am not sure. and its enough to have to drain my filter morethan once in two weeks.
It looks as if the "pods" need to be replaced after they have absorbed the stuff they do. Replacement looks spendy according to the website... Bluegrass Fuel Systems, LLC - The FP Filtration Media

They list a phone number. Call them and ask them about drying out the water as I would think water would evaporate out.

Do you let your oil settle for a good week or so?

Blind Driver, what is IBC's?
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It looks as if the "pods" need to be replaced after they have absorbed the stuff they do. Replacement looks spendy according to the website... Bluegrass Fuel Systems, LLC - The FP Filtration Media

They list a phone number. Call them and ask them about drying out the water as I would think water would evaporate out.

Do you let your oil settle for a good week or so?

Blind Driver, what is IBC's?
International Bulk container. Big caged plastic tote in a wire cage on a pallet.
They work decent, but I'm trying to get a 500 gallon propane tank to sit upright. It will allow the water to drain out much better.
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International Bulk container. Big caged plastic tote in a wire cage on a pallet.
They work decent, but I'm trying to get a 500 gallon propane tank to sit upright. It will allow the water to drain out much better.
WOW, I have a 500 gallon LP tank. I cannot imagine it upright, well, I can I guess. When it is done, paint it up real cool looking.

We have IBC's all over at work.
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Good thing about an LP tank or other pressure tank is that they can be pressurized at very low pressure (3-4 psi) for a very slow really conrolled upflow system that really works for eliminating water and solids in WMO.
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I've been using my wmo/k1 mix for 6 months without any fuel or filter problems. RUG makes my engine smoke like a nasty bbq grill.[/QUOTE]

what ratio of k1 & wmo do you use? and how long do you allow it to sit? Plus does it break the viscosity down like gas does? K1 is more expensive than gas but it would equal about 50 cents a gallon so who really.cares.

I allow my oil to sit for a week at least.
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Good thing about an LP tank or other pressure tank is that they can be pressurized at very low pressure (3-4 psi) for a very slow really conrolled upflow system that really works for eliminating water and solids in WMO.
That's how I want to control the flow into my fuge

Once I install a good regulator, I can control the flow of oil.

I have 4 IBCs on my pallet racks with feed my 'fuge with gravity. It's a good system, but my fuge will almost be on the floor trying to get the oil from a propane tank.
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Happy New Year everyone. Just for additional input, I cold upflow. I generally
make 55 gal batches. Of the 55 gal, 15 is kero, 4 is rug and the rest is wmo. This has been working well for me. Very little smoke. Being and OBS, I have the use of two tanks and will shut down at night on D2. I can get kero here in Western NY for 4.09/gal and rug is 3.65/gal. So my price of about 1.36 for homemade is still better than 4.25 for D2. I was considerably more smokey when only using 10 gal of kero per 55 gal batch. My oil sits a week or two before I start the procces. Sorry if I got off topic. I sometimes ramble on.
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That's pretty good rambling and we like to hear it.
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i am done with w85 for now. i started this thread because my truck was running rough at idle. the only thing that i can think of was that i either allowed water into the oil during the mixing process or that the enthonl was not mixing with the wmo right and causing problems. my desire to have a diesel free january will not happen this year.

what i did to fix it was remove all the fuel and allow to sit over night. i only poured the top half of the jugs that i siphoned the fuel into. then added a little diesel and all was good. it ran perfect.

so i make another batch of W85. this time with ethonl free gas. no joy. same problem. i think that i need to back up and punt. go back to the 33% d-2 67% wmo until i can figure out why my truck doesn't like the W85. that mixed worked great for 6 months. and its only about 1.25 a gallon

thanks for all your help. be blessed and pray for me and my family as we welcome in baby #4 very soon.

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Have you hotplate tested the oil?
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