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Old 03-22-2005, 01:07 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What fuel pump for WVO?

Hi. What fuel pumps have you folks had success with for VO? I am under the impression that Aeromotive A1000 works well, but it is pretty spendy.

Any other less expensive/more available options? Like MSD 2225? Its numbers look OK, but I wonder if it would hold up to veg and/or diesel?

Thanks in advance for any info/success/failure experiences for can give me.

I just got several fuel tanks (some stainless and some poly). Each has an outer steel/painted protective cover. 15.5 gallons each. Fuel level gauge/float. The poly tanks only have 1/4 supply and return though. 22x22x12 inch square. I think I can fit 3 across in the back of my bed. (Heat only one (stainless) and have a couple poly tanks to bleed/slowly transfer into the stainless?). I think they will look great and work great somehow. Spring is here and I need to get started...LOL

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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

If you mean the pump for engine fuel, I use the existing mechanical pump on my 1995 psd. Nothing extra.
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

I (like FN74, CPUneck, Powerstrokedude and others) would like to set up a separate WVO delivery system (tank, filter, pump, regulator) and make the "cutover" as close as feasible to the engine/heads in order to minimize purge time. My understanding is that to fully purge from downstream of the pump takes 10-15 minutes. (Keep in mind I have not done ANY modifications/additions to the truck yet to burn 100% WVO, but I do do some reading here and other places [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shrug.gif[/img]. So I need a pump that is 1) OK with WVO (diesel?), 2) Will go to at least 70psi, and 3) deliver at least 40? gph at 70psi and 4) Last a "long long time". It looks like a good pump, regulator and filter is gonna cost some bucks.

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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

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Welcome to the site. It's exciting to see the interest in this stuff especially now that the $$$ of the "slag" is through the roof. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Here is my take on the investment. I plan on keeping my truck for a long time, it does everything I need and then some. Now granted the "new" trucks are COOL, but they really have nothing else to offer substance wise over my early 99'! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/depressed.gif[/img] So all this being said I feel a good investment would be in order. So far no regrets and ZERO strands! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smokin.gif[/img] Anything worth having is worth working err... spending for [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

It depends on how your running the pu. My purge takes about a minute or so; ~1 to 1.5 miles. I usually give it ~3 minutes to be sure. You can tell the diff in engine sound when purged either way for veg or diesel. For 10-15 minutes your return is routed wrong or plugged, driving extremely slow with no stop/starts, or someone has changed the original fuel path.

Unless you have a one tank truck or live in very cold climates, there is very minimal mods to be made to run veg. The mods can be simple to very eleborate, but it still burns veg either way. Unless you have already, I would evaluate your needs and the various systems before spending a lot of money & time. Several people, various sites, run with less than $200-$350 complete system, from getting the oil to running it in vehicle. The die hards can be running with less than $200.

Not trying to discourage, just trying to help.
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

Well I have a single tank system (2001 psd). It seems you probably have a two tank with you 95. Where is the fuel selector solenoid/valve on the "95" era pickups? Must be pretty close to the engine to purge so quickly. I have no experience with 95 era trucks, Do they use a single (frame rail mounted) fuel pump (like the 99+ trucks) or do they have a seperate lift pump and then a mechanical injector pump mounted on the engine?
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The solonoid is close to the tanks on drivers side frame. The 95's are pretty much the same exept having a mechanical fuel pump behind and below the fuel canister and 40 psi regulator. No lift pumps. I have the two tank pu. When I switch back to veg or diesel, I am coming off an interstate (usually a mile before off ramp) to either city or town stop/go driving. I'm switching while burning the last high flow mile(s), for me anyways, then continuing during the bad mpg phase of town driving. mpg for most drivers is always a weighted average of several mpg; straight, traffic, stop/go, etc until next fill up then calculate mpg. The diesel or veg goes quick that way. I have stock fuel system except for the electric veg heater in suppply line after solonoid. This combo gives you quick normal purge, probably not a total purge, but will slightly mix the veg & diesel in both tanks. Doesn't matter to me since low concentrations for both. Nice easy, little money, versatile (can always burn diesel in 'veg' tank) system. Not perfect but works flawlessly for my needs. No disadvantages for the way I use it.

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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

Hi folks. Seems like a stock Ford fuel should be good enough for WVO. What do you think? (Still choking on the price of a Aeromotive A1000)

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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

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Hi folks. Seems like a stock Ford fuel should be good enough for WVO. What do you think? (Still choking on the price of a Aeromotive A1000)

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Negative ghost rider. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] It will work for a bit, but mine was done in after about 2 months. The AERO is expensive, but has proven to be very reliable, and comes with a 1 year warranty. Just remember, at nearly 3.00/gallon for #2, it doesn't take long to pay for itself.
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

I haven't installed my conversion yet, but I went with the Holley Blue Pump from JEG's for $99. I read somewhere that it can handle contaminents + it looks easy to rebuild and comes with a regulator.
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

The Holley blue pump only puts out about 15psi not nearly as much as the Areomotive A1000 pump. The Holley regulator is not a bypass style regulator.
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

For the price of that pump I could buy 3 Holley's. Let see, 3 in parallel. One pump near tank, one near engine and one spare... Why bypass the regulator?
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

How bout using a fuel pump off a a full size school bus? I have a few laying around and I would think that with the size of those engines and the rate of fuel consumption it might be a good canidate. Any ideas on to to test the output pressure?
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Re: What fuel pump for WVO?

Just make sure it's not a T444 [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img], or you'll wind up with about the same pump as your OEM [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif[/img]
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