Who are the Algae guys? Let's rap! - Diesel Forum

Thudpucker · 11-21-2009, 03:22 PM

I'm back on the Algae Diesel stuff again. I got a set of PDF's that show what to do and how to do it.
If anybody else is interested in this, let's get together.

If you are making it work, I'm especially interested in your progress.
I believe that everybody with a diesel can make his own with this Algae process.

Those PDF's came from this guy. He wants to sell a book. I didnt buy it.

David Sieg
Algae biodiesel

dirdyd · 03-05-2011, 12:32 PM

I am very interested in any info that you have on algae fuels. Could you send me the PDFs

Cheers
Dan

minitruckeratheart · 03-06-2011, 08:19 PM

this is something that i would love to learn how to do! should we chip in on a cd and burn it? lol does it come in a cd-rom version? have you tried anything yet? where are you located? how do you plan to continue? are you gonna centrifuge ponds or grow your own? there are many different strains that are better for algaenol and some that do better in cold weather. are you wanting to make algaenol and biodiesel from your algae? lemme see if i can find the site

that was selling different strains for people wanting to grow their own. they have alot of research in that. would be worth looking into if your serious.

minitruckeratheart · 03-06-2011, 08:38 PM

wow i wish i would have came across that site before. it seems as if the sight i learned most of my info had a very similar story... almost like deja vu now i really wanna find that site and post the link.

minitruckeratheart · 03-06-2011, 08:40 PM

Simple 5-gallon processor: Journey to Forever

aftCG · 03-10-2011, 12:19 PM

Oh this is awesome. Dave I'd love a copy of the PDFs. If I can make this work on any scale it would be great.

Consider me "subscribed".

Thudpucker · 03-10-2011, 01:53 PM

My health has crashed. I may not be able to renew my License.

I'll send everything I have, but I need some advice on how to do that.

The long and short of Algae Diesel is mostly Snake oil. So far in nearly three years of phone search and Cyber search, I'm understanding the process without actually finding anybody who has made the first gallon of the stuff.

I finally made contact with the DOD. Talk about hiding in plain sight. They wont answer the phone. And then nobody knows anything beyond; "I dont know....." How the hell did we ever win a war?

I made the point that DOD should be looking into the next gallon of gas.
Since our Tax dollars pay for the Research into this kind of stuff, we should have access to the methods and success' even if they are small.
We are an ARMY of guys who can carry out experiments and may come up with the answers you need if we just knew of some things to try and what you've found out about that is dangerous or don't work.
DOD said: You aint gonna get what you want from us! It took a mile of Mouthwash and Gargle getting to the point

The DOD is approached by Salesmen over a subject like Algae oil. The Salesmen represent Universities, and other Hi Tech PhD's who want money to make some of this stuff. Including Algae diesel.
I got hold of the guy who writes the Checks. He told me somebody up in the St Louis MO area has money in the project right now.

From him (Walt Kazumbo) he mentioned: "Rich Sayers" at "Danforth Plant Science Center" which I think is the place in St Louis MO.
I got a tip about the National Renewable Energy Lab in Colorado. I never found that place.

About that time my health went south and I lost the Bullet.

Doing a search of my PC I find about 25 different folders from my three years into chasing this Smoke n' Mirrors.
I'll send all of that to anybody who wants it, just let me know how to do it.
Dick Hopkins
Cullman AL.

Thudpucker · 03-10-2011, 07:01 PM

Stand by for a bit guys. I got another tip from Walt to a different guy in the USDA.
I'll share when I get it.

Here's what's holding the U.S. Gov. up.

Gasoline has a Chemical formulae that is very consistant. If the U.S. Air Force was buying gas, the Seller would have to prove his product fit the Chemical signature the Air Force was buying.
The A.F. knows from testing that the Signature they want will work in any part of the world in any Air Craft they buy it for.

So....in the matter of Algae Diesel, the Gov. looks at all forms of Algae. All process's etc.
They Call it the Cow Theory.
A cow gives milk till it cannot any longer provide. Then you eat the Cow.
And then you start all over with another Cow.

So the DOD etc looks at replacing what they want from some Re-new able source. They don't want to fool with the Cow and all the possible shortages it might cause.

Algae is a real good answer for that.
However, Algae is easily distorted.
So the end product is not what you expected, because a Herd of Turtles swam through your pond and the Sea Gulls pooped in the pond.

So we want an Alga that is constant, that we know about.
It will make the most consistant Cake. (that cake is saleable too)
Then we squeeze the "Soup" outta the Cake.
Then we distill the Lipids from the Soup.
The leftover Soup goes back into the digesting pond,
And the Oil we distilled goes into your fuel tank.

Everybody keep 'pouring' into this thread, all that you've learned. I will too as soon as I hear from DOD or USDA.

minitruckeratheart · 03-10-2011, 07:24 PM

from the way i understand it, the algae has to be centrifuged from the water, and this may take a while seeing as how small algae is. after you have collected the algae from the water in the collection bowl in the centrifuge its scraped out and ran thru an extruder. the oil that you collect from the algae is used in making biodiesel. apparently there is a way to make algaenol which is algae based methonal. so one plant can make 2 very important parts of the biodiesel process. and as said before the cake from extruding the oil out of the algae can be sold as feed. i have seen it done in pools (on the internet) but it takes so long to get so little, i dont know if it would be better (faster) getting it from a pond i really want to buy a centrifuge at least to clean my oil, so i dont have to worry about filters all the time. and if i do spent the money on a centrifuge i will deff. try algae biodiesel. they small scale extruders that would perfect to start with.

Thudpucker · 03-10-2011, 08:10 PM

Good for you little trucker.
Your right now at the point where you have to know how the Distilling is done before you can spend the first dime on the Alga farm.

I had my whole layout set up to 'exist' on the South Facing side of my barn.
I was going to use HDPE buckets and Pipes for the Alga Tubs or trays or Pond, whichever they were going to call it.

Then you scrape 2/3rds of that into the Processor. That processor has a Porous belt on a tread mill type arrangement.
It squeezes most of the Water out of the Collected Alga.

The Cake that's left still has some water in it. You squeeze that till a soup comes out.
Then take the water out of the Soup.
Then take the lipids out of the Soup.

Before you can plan anything, you must know how the last three steps are going to take place.

I believe this! Since our taxes are paying for the PhD's to work this out, that we should get the info they come up with. If we are paying for the Research, it cannot be proprietary for the Researchers.

minitruckeratheart · 03-11-2011, 08:39 AM

i agree about the info should be free! and is this

Then you scrape 2/3rds of that into the Processor. That processor has a Porous belt on a tread mill type arrangement.
It squeezes most of the Water out of the Collected Alga.

The Cake that's left still has some water in it. You squeeze that till a soup comes out.
Then take the water out of the Soup.
Then take the lipids out of the Soup.

the distilling part you were talking about? are you distilling algaenol? after centrifuging there shouldnt be any water from my understanding. or is that a lo tech cheap way to extract the algae oils?

minitruckeratheart · 03-11-2011, 08:43 AM

oh and my favorite type of truck may be little, but i am not... im 6'4 and 200lbs we prefer to be called "minitruckers"...

little trucker.......

Thudpucker · 03-11-2011, 09:09 AM

LOL, if we were going by that description, I'd be "Round Trucker"!

aftCG · 03-11-2011, 11:30 AM

Thud, I don't even know you but man I hope you get better. I'm not totally computer illiterate so if there's anything I can do to help just PM me.

Virgin Airlines already crossed the Atlantic using algae based fuel in 1 of 4 engines. The Air Force has already flown the C-17 on 100% algae based fuel. They were actually two thumbs way up IIRC (and because I'm over 40 I may not...).

Thudpucker · 03-11-2011, 03:10 PM

Thanks Buddy,
I knew about the A-10 on Algae and Delta has done it too.
That's a Propitiatory secret I guess, because DOD don't know anything about it.
I called the Air Force and they referred me back to DOD.

If we are going to learn how to do this, I don't think we'll get any help from the Government until a lot more of us start calling them for help or get hold of an Elected official that really believes we should have an Energy Program for U.S. Citizens.