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There is another issue out that I would bet that most of you were not aware of. There is a powerful lobby out there which is against the level of bodiesel production that we would like to see. They are the environmentalists. These are the same people who are doing everything in their power to prevent drilling for oil. It is their belief that the farming required to produce the oil stock is bad for the earth.
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Yes, this distresses to me also. But we'd better drop this subject lest the thread be locked or deleted by a moderator because of political talk.
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It never occurred to me that I was starting something verboten. I will need to get a refresher on the groundrules.
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It doesn't take that much to process VO into Bio-D
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It DOES take one thing that some people don't have, though. That one thing is space. Using myself as an example, a year from now, I'll probably be living in an apartment. At an apartment, I highly doubt that I'll be able to mix and make biodiesel. I'm hoping that I'll be able to do what little I need to do to WVO in my truck bed during that period of time.
I'm still unsure if I'll even be able to do that. I need to figure out what exactly I would need ot do to WVO between the time I pick it up at a restaurant and the time it goes into my truck's fuel tanks.
I still need to find a source, though...which is why I'm still unsure that I'll be doing the conversion...
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It never occurred to me that I was starting something verboten. I will need to get a refresher on the groundrules.
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Basically, one of the rules is Thou Shalt Not Discuss Anything Related To Politics. I think that it's due to a long series of political posts in the Other forum that devolved into flame wars (and is part of why I no longer go over there).
I could be wrong, but I've seen quite a few thread in General Diesel closed because politics creeped in. I may diagree with it in a few situations, but I'm a minion and therefore not allowed to have an influence. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
I think what you are referring to is what I think of as the next evolution in that chain. The analogy would be when some big corporation decides that there IS a mass market for bio, and they sweep in and price cut the small local guy because they've got the economies of scale that allow them to sell at a lower price.
Baking bread is not an art form. People continued to buy bread from a local baker because they couldn't GET that type of bread anywhere else. Now, you can buy locally baked bread at the supermarket, because they bake it themselves. Why? Because there's a market for it (read - DEMAND). 20yrs ago, that wasn't the case. The shelves were stocked with Wonder Bread that stuck to the roof of your mouth [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Yes, there need to be standards, and testing to establish conformity for quality, etc. I think the biggest hurdle at this point is education. Most people are completely unaware of the fact that SVO/WVO can be burned in diesel engines, period. It's starting to catch on, and I think forums like this play a HUGE part in that.
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Everyone has listed some excellent PROBLEMS, but there have also been some solutions posted too.
OIL SOURCE: Currently we are using a FOOD source in order to make FUEL. If that doesnt piss off the treehuggers, I dont know what will! Also, the ACT of farming is in and of itself "Not Green". They use diesels to farm, spray fertilizers that run into streams, etc etc. Its kind of a self destructive process.
There are a COUPLE of solutions.
1. Algae farms: Algae farms will grow on either waste-water treatment facilities, fertilizer run-off ponds, dairy farm run-off ponds and even shallow sal****er ponds. The algae grows extremely fast, cleans the water and can be upwards of 50% oil by mass! The processing creates oil on one side, and "clean" fertilizer on the other.
2. Thermal Depolymerization: This is the new "still in testing" turkey guts composter that has been discussed in "general diesel" in the past. It is a process that uses heat and extremely high pressures to "CRACK" the atoms of the input waste. By flash decompressing the processing tank, most of the water is instantly boiled off without the use of additional heat. The end product is water, volatile gases, fertilizer and Pure Sweet Crude! The basic idea of the process is, so long as its not radioactive, they can turn ANYTHING into those 4 components. A_N_Y_T_H_I_N_G!! The process is listed as a MANUFACTURING facility, and not a waste disposal facility.
The current process of making Bio-D using Methanol is not 100% green, but is more green than just pumping oil out of the ground. Mostly because you are using much LESS methanol than if you were using real oil. The solution is still being worked on, but it onvolves using isopropal alcohol instead of methanol. Problem is it takes much more ISO than METH and the cost factor goes way up from what I have read.
Until the US realizes that diesels are the answer, it will continue to be a GASOLINE centered mindset, and all the R&D will be placed on gas engines instead of diesel. The trickle down effect of making diesel a high spotlight item will allow the algae and bio-d type fuels to get more attention themselves.
For the record, I have nothgni against SVO/WVO users, I just dont want to do that much conversion work to my truck, and Im not ready to risk running it raw without mods. I'll stick to Bio-D.
OIL SOURCE: Currently we are using a FOOD source in order to make FUEL. If that doesnt piss off the treehuggers, I dont know what will! Also, the ACT of farming is in and of itself "Not Green". They use diesels to farm, spray fertilizers that run into streams, etc etc. Its kind of a self destructive process.
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No solution is perfect. If this were an evolved process, the diesel used in the farming operation would be the bio-d produced. The fertilizer problem can be minimized.
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1. Algae farms: Algae farms will grow on either waste-water treatment facilities, fertilizer run-off ponds, dairy farm run-off ponds and even shallow sal****er ponds. The algae grows extremely fast, cleans the water and can be upwards of 50% oil by mass! The processing creates oil on one side, and "clean" fertilizer on the other.
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I would suspect that the shallow sal****er ponds will be a source of controversy. Those ponds will require space that was once habitat to some sort of wildlife. It does not matter how minimal the impact, no impact is acceptable to some groups.
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2. Thermal Depolymerization: This is the new "still in testing" turkey guts composter that has been discussed in "general diesel" in the past. It is a process that uses heat and extremely high pressures to "CRACK" the atoms of the input waste. By flash decompressing the processing tank, most of the water is instantly boiled off without the use of additional heat. The end product is water, volatile gases, fertilizer and Pure Sweet Crude! The basic idea of the process is, so long as its not radioactive, they can turn ANYTHING into those 4 components. A_N_Y_T_H_I_N_G!! The process is listed as a MANUFACTURING facility, and not a waste disposal facility.
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I was told about this process by a coworker. Apparently a new facility to perfrom this process has just gone online or is going to in the near future. I believe he said initial production will around 20,000 gallons of oil per day. This is all seocnd hand information so I may be a little off on the facts. The thing is that they create fuel from all of the waste coming out those slaughter houses.
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