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WVO Home filtration kits-Do it yourselfers?

Hope all of you are doing good. Little help here. I am new to the bio-D movement and I am close to working on a conversion for my 97 F-250. I am told the best thing to do is simply start collecting oil and start working on filtering it first as this is the cheapest way to get started and also the way to insure that I can collect WVO. That being said I am on a limited budget for now and I also do not want to spend hours working in the garage to get my WVO right. I get the feeling that More $$ = Less Time but I am not sure yet. I wanted to see if any of you could help me determine a cost effective way to get the WVO from my garage to my truck. Here is what I am hoping for.
1. The Cheapest way to do it right (I live in Dallas if that is something to take into consideration)?
2. The least time consuming system that aids the process.

Thanks in advance for any ideas and help.
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Filtering WVO

Let it sit for a couple weeks then pour it through a 5 or 2 micron filter bag. Filter bags are probably the cheapest way to go once you have taken the time to let most of the bad stuff settle out. Nothing is going to beat that for cost and simplicity for up to 50 gallons per week.

Your vehicle "conversion" should have a good quality heated filter to take care of anything less than 5 micron.

Once you get into the 50-500 gallons/week I can sell you a RAW POWER WVO CENTRIFUGE that will do 10-20 Gallons/hour. Don't get sucked into the little DIESELcraft centrifuge systems; they were never intended to be used on WVO, until recently, that was all that was available.

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Don't get sucked into the little DIESELcraft centrifuge systems; they were never intended to be used on WVO, until recently, that was all that was available.
I have to say I'm pretty happy with my "little" Dieselcraft. I checked out the raw power unit and I'm sure it would be great for a co-op, but where would one person FIND that much oil? Nevermind processing it. I pre-filter my oil via a totally hands off cold upflow system and then polish it using a Dieselcraft. I process 50 gallons in about an hour and a half with an 0C-20.
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Rick,

Dont spend a dollar until you collect about 50 gallons. This stuff doesnt go bad and doesnt cost anything to store. The for sure thing in this whole equation is that you CAN spend money on this thing. The not-so-sure part of this is the availibility of grease and your ability to get it.

I took the same advice you were given. and i have gathered quite a stockpile. Just today i finished my complete dual tank system. but for months now i have been collecting grease. Settling is the most effecient for of seperating that there is as far as $$$ go.

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Dont spend a dollar until you collect about 50 gallons. This stuff doesnt go bad and doesnt cost anything to store. The for sure thing in this whole equation is that you CAN spend money on this thing. The not-so-sure part of this is the availibility of grease and your ability to get it.

I took the same advice you were given. and i have gathered quite a stockpile. Just today i finished my complete dual tank system. but for months now i have been collecting grease. Settling is the most effecient for of seperating that there is as far as $$$ go.

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Good advice. Hit up your local carwash and ask if they have any empty 55 gallon drums around. They usually do and they're happy to get rid of them. Initially, grab yourself at least two 55's and a 15 gallon. RainX, wheel cleaners, and other chemicals tend to come in these. Then check out this link:

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This shows you how to build a cold upflow filtration system which will put you on the way to having clean dry oil before you even get your system.
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WVO Filtering options

I would agree that you need to get at least a 55 gallon drum full to get you started and let it settle for weeks before you ever try to filter a drop. I have never used a centrifuge, just let it settle and then filter through a filter bag.

It's expensive but Golden Fuel Systems has a product called the One Shot Filtration Unit that allows you to pump directly from your waste veggie source (a grease dumpster?) directly into your vehicle.

They also have a pretty good FAQ about how the quality of the waste veggie oil is super important.

Make sure that you have a good 12 volt pump. The better your gallons per minute rate is the less time you will spend waiting for your collection barrels to fill up. My first pump got super hot if used for more than 30 minutes at a time and eventually it ruined the brushes.

Also, make sure you have enough barrels so that you never have to put clean oil into a barrel that you collected dirty oil in. At one time I had 20+ barrels but only ended up using 6 or 8 of them.

I don't know about your area but when I was living outside of St. Louis I had the most success gathering from independent places, not national chains. Grocery stores that have a deli, Chinese restaurants and mom and pop places usually have really good grease. My mom hooked me up with the local senior citizens center and they put their grease back in the little 5 gallon jugs they get it in. It is SUPER clean and easy to filter.

Just my 2 cents.

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I second the cold upflow method, you'll need 55 gallons just to fill it though and that needs to sit at least a week. After that you can add 10 gallons a day, it's best if the added oil is presettled and decanted to avoid too much contamination of the upflow system. I've had mine going about a month or so now and have run 200 gallons through it, every time they passed the hot pan test (HPT) for water. Mine goes from the upflow barrel through a 50 micron bag filter into my mix barrel. I put the appropriate amount of oil through the system to yield the amount of fuel I want to mix as I'm blending and not running straight WVO or BioD. My blend is then circulated for 10 minutes with a 10gpm pump through a whole house filter from Home Depot then using this same pump it goes into the truck or a storage drum.

The most important thing is getting suppliers. Next I highly recommend a frame mounted filter as you will find the WVO cleans a lot of garbage out of the fuel system and rapidly clogs the engine filter in the beginning. I went through three before intalling PH8A oil filter as a prefilter and haven't plugged an engine filter since. I thought I did but it turned out to be a bad lift pump. I also recommend an electric fuel pump near the tank and bypass the engine mounted lift pump.

I'm currently running 80/20 WVO/kero and the truck was hard to start yesterday after an overnight low in the low 40's. I'm gonna cut back my blend as the weather gets colder until I've got all the parts for a heated fuel system. I want both 12v and 125v heaters on the filters and tank so I can plug in overnight and keep it hot with the 12v heaters. With the blends I only need to be about 60F so I'm thinking small heaters. I'll wire all the 125 stuff to one power source and the same with the 12v stuff. Maybe I'll add heat exchangers for heating the oil with coolant, I don't know yet. I do know that with the engine the least bit warm it fires over immediately. I plan to stay single tank with blends and since I have a viscometer and coolers in the lab at work I can easily adjust my blends to the outside lows.
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My cold upflow system is still in the process of being setup, but I am using two 55 gallon poly drums and a 15 gallon poly drum as the funnel/filter holder on top. So far it seems to be the least expensive setup I have found anywhere for someone that can wait the proper amount of time for the settling.
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I've been burning WVO for about 6 years and I really wish someone would have talked me into a Dieselcraft CF when I started up. I'll never use bag filters again. NO WAY. It's a little money to get it up and running, but if your going to stay in this game for the long run it's pennys on the dollar.

I let my oil settle in a 55 gallon drum for a two to three days and then pump off the top in pump it into a larger storage tank. So when I'm ready to make wvo into fuel. I just pump it into the dieselcraft and turn the heater on and then turn the CF on. You don't have to watch it, and if you have something else to do and don't get back to it in 8 hours your fine.

Then I use the same pump that powers the CF to pump the fuel into my truck. EASY, SAFE, and the cleanest oil I've ever tested.
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I've been burning WVO for about 6 years and I really wish someone would have talked me into a Dieselcraft CF when I started up. I'll never use bag filters again. NO WAY. It's a little money to get it up and running, but if your going to stay in this game for the long run it's pennys on the dollar.

I let my oil settle in a 55 gallon drum for a two to three days and then pump off the top in pump it into a larger storage tank. So when I'm ready to make wvo into fuel. I just pump it into the dieselcraft and turn the heater on and then turn the CF on. You don't have to watch it, and if you have something else to do and don't get back to it in 8 hours your fine.

Then I use the same pump that powers the CF to pump the fuel into my truck. EASY, SAFE, and the cleanest oil I've ever tested.
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Since the last post in this thread I've upgraded my filtration and filling system quite a bit. I spent some money at McMaster-Carr and Harbor Freight, but considering how much I've spent on diesel in the last three years plus the time all of these upgrades will save me it's money well spent (this was posted on the infopop forums a while ago):

I had been running WVO for two years (100K miles) with great results, but one thing I never did was really fine tune my filtration system. It was pretty bush league for a while which is fine because it was cheap, but it was never very user friendly, especially in my unheated garage. I did pick up a vent free propane heater new in box for $50, but all that did was make it more bearable to be out there in the cold, it just doesn't have the BTUs to bring cold oil up to a temperature that will allow it to flow freely through a 150 micron filter for rough filtration prior to centrifuging. So I decided to finally splurge and make my system a bit more "professional" and ultimately easy to use. This allows me to process more oil at a faster rate than I had been. Here's the progress so far:



This is the pre-filter barrel. This is where I will pour completely raw oil, bits and all, to be heated for pre-filtering prior to centrifuging. As you can see I'm using the infamous Harbor Freight 1" Clear Water Pump. I had always regarded them as a complete waste of money until I read about a few tweaks (new capacitor, motor starter switch for overload protection, sealing the leaks) you can make for not a lot of money to make them more functional. I bought two on sale for $35.99 each. The new capacitor was $8, and the motor starter was $20, so now I have a decent 10 GPM 1/2 HP pump for a lot less than I could get one for anywhere else. The HF pumps are not self priming, so a foot valve (you can barely see it at end of the pipe) is necessary. The pump has a plug for priming, but it's pretty small so I used a tee at the top with a plug.



In this photo you can see the blatant overkill filter housing which will contain the 150 micron cotton filters that will keep the big stuff out of the centrifuging barrel so as not to clog the jets in the centrifuge. The housing (and the filter) will handle up to 15 GPM, so it was a good match for the HF pump. I'm setting the thermostats on the heating elements (more on those later) to 100 degrees F, which should be plenty warm enough so as not to collapse the filter. The reason I chose a steel filter housing was because I'm also going to wrap the housing in pipe heating cable in order to further protect the filter.





Shown here are the heating elements-the beginning of my version of a heater spear. The elements are 5500W each so at 120V they'll put out about 1375W and will draw 11.4A each. I should add that I'm also re-wiring the garage, which was needed anyway since there's only one outlet currently. I'm adding two 20A circuits specifically for use with the filtration station. The mounts for the heating elements consist of a black 1" flange welded to a black 2" coupling. The missing piece of the puzzle is a 2" to 1" reducer bushing which I had to order since hardware stores don't stock them. I had a machinist friend weld them for me since I don't have access to a welder. Once the reducer bushings are in both heaters will be suspended via lengths of 1" black pipe from a crossbar on top of the barrel. One heater will sit low, almost touching the bottom and one will sit near the top. They'll be independently switched also so I can just use the bottom heater for smaller batches.

As I said before, adding overload protection to the HF pump requires a simple motor starting switch, which is basically a circuit breaker that also functions as an on/off switch. I would have included the new capacitor but its not here yet. The other HF pump I bought will be used as a fill pump. Prior to this rebuild I was using the pump that runs my centrifuge (Haldex Hydraulic pump-0.9 GPM) to fill my tank via a manifold I built to switch between recirculation and filling. With a 60 gallon tank it was pretty brutal. The fill pump will be set up almost identically to the pre-filter pump (foot valve, etc...) with the difference being that it will have some kind of bypass (not sure exactly how yet) so I can use a regular filler nozzle with it. I should also be able to fill my tank in less than 10 minutes now, which will be very nice.



Just another picture of the filter housing with the pre-filter pump. I used a tee rather than an elbow coming out of the outlet because I figured it would good to have a port there for a pressure gauge, etc...eventually. That's all for now, I'll post more pictures as I progress on this. I'm going to work on setting the old centrifuge back up as well as a control box for everything next.

I finally got some more time to work on the system yesterday and am making some progress. The first order of business was to assemble my homemade heater spears for the pre-filtering barrel:



As you can see the elements in their housings will be suspended from the 2x6 over an open top barrel, one near the bottom and one near the top so as to avoid stratifying cold and warm layers. Here is a closeup of the assembled spear which consists of a 1" flange welded to a 2" coupling, which has a 2"x1" reducer bushing threaded into it, which threads into the 1" pipe which serves as support as well as a conduit for the power wire:

Here the heaters are installed and wired in the barrel. I used 48" bungees from Lowes to secure the snap disc thermostats to the side of the barrel. This barrel will only reach about 100 degrees so they should take the heat just fine. I can also move them easily if I need to. To the left you can see the HFCWP connected to the pre-filter.:



Here is an overview of the whole system:



This is a view of the centrifuge barrel which is mostly composed of parts from the original system (barrel, heater pipe, the centrifuge itself, etc...) with new stainless steel and hydraulic pressure lines, thermostats for the inline heaters, and a thermal protection switch for the pump motor:



Finally here is the fill pump, another HFCWP with a foot valve so as to keep prime. I am experimenting with "deadheading" the pump which I'm not sure is going to work, so I'd be interested in hearing some comments. The tee coming out of outlet of the pump has a 5/8" ID barbed fitting which will connect the fill hose. At the end of the fill hose will be an OPW fill nozzle that I picked up at a yard sale. I know that these don't work particularly well with WVO so I'm not really concerned with trying to get it to shut off automatically, but rather I'd like to be able to grab the nozzle, switch the pump on, and let it bypass or deadhead until I walk the nozzle over to the truck and begin filling. Then of course, I'd like to be able to click the nozzle off, walk back to the pump, hang it up and switch the pump off. If you look at the tee again you'll see a small length of 1/4" fuel line coming off of the other port. I'm hoping that this small bypass will allow enough relief when the fill hose is closed off so that the pump doesn't over heat:



I've zero problems with the system thus far. One surprising thing I noticed was that even very cold oil flows through the new 15 GPM filter cartridges very easily. The same type of oil at the same temperature used to plug and rupture my old 10 GPM filter cartridges, which is why I opted for the pre-heat barrel. The other variable is the HF pump which may have something to do with it too since it's a high volume low pressure pump. Either way, it's been great as I've been using the same cotton string wound filter cartridge for about 6 months now with no sign of any large particles getting through to the CF barrel. One slightly annoying aspect of the pre-heat barrel is the fact that the foot valve for the transfer/rough filter pump will frequently get stuck open because a french fry bit or other crud will get stuck on the mating surface of the valve, keeping it from closing all the way which causes the pump to lose it's prime. Luckily I designed the system so that it's easy to remove the standpipe, clear the clog, and re-prime the pump, but it's still an annoyance and a little messy. The foot valve came with a coarse screen but it quickly got clogged with crud so I had to remove it.

The fill pump works great and always keeps its prime since there are no particles left in the oil large enough to cause a problem. The tank fills in what seems like a blink of an eye compared to before and the bypass works flawlessly. Finally, the upgrade to all stainless steel lines on the pressure side was the best possible thing for piece of mind. The burst pressure on the lines is north of 3500 psi, which makes them the weak link in the system since the schedule 80 steel pipe in the heater system is rated at 6000 psi burst strength. Needless to say, the infamous Dieselcraft blowouts are a thing of the past.
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I do not use the cold up flow method, because it seems like an unnecessary complication. I just blend gasoline with waste oil, then let it sit for 24 hours, then drain the sludge off the bottom of my blending and settling tank, then filter to 1-micron.
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WVO can go bad if it's got water in it and isn't sealed properly. It WILL go rancid.
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Rancid oil is not a problem. It just smells bad, but runs fine in the engine. Also, blended oils do not go rancid, but the light fractions could evaporate off, so one would only want to blend no more than a few days before use.
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Rancid oil is not a problem. It just smells bad, but runs fine in the engine. Also, blended oils do not go rancid, but the light fractions could evaporate off, so one would only want to blend no more than a few days before use.
Perhaps, but what about the acids that are still present in the oil and the acreolin that is generated from burning WVO?
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Perhaps, but what about the acids that are still present in the oil and the acreolin that is generated from burning WVO?
After about 2 years of use I had two waste oil tanks with thin walls rust through. I now use a compressor tank to make my blend, and I had dropped my fuel tank several times in the 4.5 years I have been running blends and have found no evidence of corrosion in the fuel tank, so the corrosion of my earlier tanks was most probably caused by water in the stored waste oils. I have found once gasoline has been blended with the waste oil, then water is forced out of solution within hours. At that point I drain the sludge off, which includes any water. A possible solution to long term storage would be to keep the waste oil in plastic containers.

Acreolin poisoning seems to be only an issue for those who put their nose against their exhaust pipe for extended periods of time; however, carbon monoxide poisoning is likely to be a more immediate issue for this practice.

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