06 shut down at the first stop of a 400 mile trip. - Diesel Forum

patrickrc51 · 10-11-2009, 02:30 PM

I was hauling butt back from a trip with my buddies. We were making awesome time. I didn't think I was pushing the truck to hard. Heck, I didn't think you could push them to hard... So anyhow, Towards the last 130 miles I noticed when I went to accelerate up a foot hill or for a pass that the boost would come up to about 10-15psi and the power was late coming. "I'm a diesel tech on big stuff so to me I was thinking that the fuel wasn't being increased or something."
Well when we got to this stop light 100 miles away from home to get onto the next main freeway it shut down before I got to a stop. The engine got going slower and slower for the light and then it just past idle and went to nothing. I turned it over and over and over and nothing. I checked the codes, Nothing. I looked ontop and there was a old looking oil sheen in the valley of the engine and then I noticed from underneath some fresh oil on the back of the engine coming down the top of the heads. prolly less than half a quart of the fresh looking oil. I didn't have any tools with me of course so I wasn't able to pull the filters.

I was thihnking there is something wrong with the High Pressure Oil Pump...
There is 60k on it and the only other problem I have EVER had was head gaskets. That was about 5k ago.

Any Ideas? Oh, The truck is still 100 miles away infront of a dealer now. I have to go back to it tonight so I am going to do some Trouble shooting real quick while I'm there.

Thanks guys

OT · 10-11-2009, 03:04 PM

Also my guess..HPOP... fitting broke..might explain oil you see. Loss of psi (leak) would cause a no start. But, ? Good luck!

patrickrc51 · 10-11-2009, 03:06 PM

Thank you,
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patrickrc51 · 10-11-2009, 05:13 PM

I been doing nothing today but research of what the hell could be the problem. I have learned that the FICM has been going out on alot of trucks now a days. With what I have already said does this seem like a posability too?

thomhack · 10-11-2009, 06:24 PM

Most likely it is the hpop and not ficm. Also could be the ICP

Helipilot136 · 10-11-2009, 10:33 PM

Same kind of thing happened to me. Mine was the FICM but i got a code. P0611 Fuel Injector Control Module Fault. The new FICM fixed that problem but i now have many more...

shelbyandadiesel · 10-12-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Helipilot136

Same kind of thing happened to me. Mine was the FICM but i got a code. P0611 Fuel Injector Control Module Fault. The new FICM fixed that problem but i now have many more...

How much did that FICM cost you? Mine was $1,600.00

bulletbob · 10-12-2009, 04:31 PM

sorry to hear about your problems. I went through the same thing a month ago on my '04. Next thing I know, I'm dropping $3900 to get my truck back.

First pass by the shop on day one:
FICM = $1400 (which was supposed to fix the problem...did nothing)

Second pass by the shop a day later:
HPOP = $2500

By the way, the thumbs down is not directed toward the shop...they were fantastic and the owner was gracious enough to take a quick look at my truck on a holiday. The thumbs down is directed toward having to spend $3900 on a truck.

dikkstarr · 10-12-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shelbyandadiesel

How much did that FICM cost you? Mine was $1,600.00

yeah mine was 1400 and did nothing but lighten my wallet.

w_huisman · 10-12-2009, 04:44 PM

The way you describe slowly losing power, it could also be an injector letting air into the fuel rail. As more air gets from the cylinder to the fuel rail, more and more cylinders shut down.

If you think this is a possibility, unplug the HFCM and remove the underhood fuel filter lid and fuel filter. Then have someone turn the engine over while you watch inside the underhood fuel filter housing for air bubbles.

Check this out... Diesel Technician Society

short_stuff · 10-12-2009, 04:45 PM

Patrickrc51,
Did you check the oil level? Was it way low on oil? That would be my first thing to check.
Had that happen on a rental box truck with the ford diesel in it 8 years ago. Somewhere, about 100 miles from nowhere, in the middle of the night, my son was driving it up a fairly steep pass. I was behind him in another truck. All of a sudden, the lights went dim, and he pulled it over to the side of the road, dead. Didn't think to check the oil, but we waited a little bit, and it started back up, but only had enough power to go about 30 mph to the next exit. Got off, called the rental company and they had me take it to a 24 hr truck shop close by. First thing the guy did was pull the dip stick out. There wasn't enough oil to even show up on the stick. Once we had it topped off with 4 gallons of fresh oil, it ran like a champ the rest of the 1800 miles home. so, I learned my lesson on that trip. just my .02 cents worth

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Helipilot136 · 10-12-2009, 05:14 PM

got mine here: Auto Computer Exchange - Auto Computer Superstore - Cheaper than dealers and mechanics.
I think it ran me $800.00 with a one year warranty and i had to ship them the core. Im not saying this will fix your truck but it did mine. remember mine wouldn't start. changed the FICM cranked right up! Also mine was easier to diagnose as i had a code to reference...

shelbyandadiesel · 10-12-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletbob

sorry to hear about your problems. I went through the same thing a month ago on my '04. Next thing I know, I'm dropping $3900 to get my truck back.

First pass by the shop on day one:
FICM = $1400 (which was supposed to fix the problem...did nothing)

Second pass by the shop a day later:
HPOP = $2500

By the way, the thumbs down is not directed toward the shop...they were fantastic and the owner was gracious enough to take a quick look at my truck on a holiday. The thumbs down is directed toward having to spend $3900 on a truck.

This thing could become to expensive for me to own. I have said that for a while, and while it is paid off, I just have a hard to finding something else that I can trust. The 7.3s are getting older and older. I wonder if I can cram a 3-53 Detroit in there?

patrickrc51 · 10-12-2009, 06:10 PM

I checked the oil first off to make sure there wasn't any Diesel in the oil. I Do change the oil every 5k to prevent anything like this, What good that did.

I'm almost sure that the injectors are sealed good and there are no leaks for it may have been loosing power but was still very smooth and not a misfire shutter.

I almost would bet a ball that the damn HPOP is toast or something in direct relation ie; regulator controller, ICP....

You know I'm a Industrial Diesel Tech, so I know there will ALWAYS be some sorta failure involved in cars, trucks, and so on. What pisses me off is when I talked to the dealer I had to agree to a $210 diagnosis... I told the dude that it's under warranty and his reply is "We dont know that yet"? ***
Look at the miles on it and the year you anus... When I go on trouble calls thats the first thing we do before we move out. Check the hours on the unit and the year purchased and what warranty they got. Its basic math... 1+1= Yes or no... Regardless

I dont know why in the smaller Diesels like International and Isuzu they still use the HPOP systems. I wish they would go more traditional, Camshaft-Pushrod-Rocker setup. It works in the industrial world and there is less stuff to manufacture and less stuff to go wrong... Oh well I guess...

You know shelbyandadiesel I work for Detroit Diesel and I seen a couple of 3-53's in small trucks. MESSY engines, If I was gonna do a engine swap I would try and stuff a 6-92 under the hood of my truck. Prolly get poopy mileage though. I like my 6.0 though, This is the first time it has truely let me down. even when it blew the head gaskets it was still road worthy 100%... I had to put some water in it but still ran hard core...

Toban · 10-12-2009, 06:20 PM

Have you thought of "stuffing" another 6.0 into your truck only this time get one out of a 2006 or 2007. At least you wouldn't have problems with the fitment.

I don't know if it's just me seeing something in all of these posts, but most of the drivers seem to have to go back and forth a few times (costly) to try and get things running back to normal. In some posts, mechanics have possibly screwed up something else while working on the original problem. This signals to me that although you did have something to cause a failure, it appears that the mechanics are adding MUCH more to the cost than anything else.

For myself, whenever I had a problem with my 6.9 or 7.3, I would take it to my Ford dealer for repairs. If it was fixed to my satisfaction the first time, it never really bothered me. If I had to back again and again, that told me that the "wrencher" really didn't know that much. It's these repeat "performances" that seem to give the 6.0 more of a bad rap than anything (IMHO).

I know that there are exceptions of faulty design, etc., but it all can't be chaulked up to that.