06 shut down at the first stop of a 400 mile trip.

[patrickrc51]

Originally Posted by Toban

Have you thought of "stuffing" another 6.0 into your truck only this time get one out of a 2006 or 2007. At least you wouldn't have problems with the fitment.

I don't know if it's just me seeing something in all of these posts, but most of the drivers seem to have to go back and forth a few times (costly) to try and get things running back to normal. In some posts, mechanics have possibly screwed up something else while working on the original problem. This signals to me that although you did have something to cause a failure, it appears that the mechanics are adding MUCH more to the cost than anything else.

For myself, whenever I had a problem with my 6.9 or 7.3, I would take it to my Ford dealer for repairs. If it was fixed to my satisfaction the first time, it never really bothered me. If I had to back again and again, that told me that the "wrencher" really didn't know that much. It's these repeat "performances" that seem to give the 6.0 more of a bad rap than anything (IMHO).

I know that there are exceptions of faulty design, etc., but it all can't be chaulked up to that.

You know what man, You hit the nail on the head. When I used to work in a Truck shop I seen everything and it would just piss me off when I saw another tech just start throwing parts at it instead of trying to actually fix it... I love my job and I get more satisfaction having a troubled truck come in and finding out EXACTLY what is wrong and fixing that problem. Not throughing parts at the general area until its fixed. Then the customer gets a fat bill and he wonders why.... I seen techs write up novel stories on the paperwork on what was wrong when what they are actually doing is just making a bunch of crap up and making it sound good so we would get paid...

I know that happens in dealers. I pulled my truck out of a shop one time because I was talking to the Tech and he just seemed dumb as all hell... These days if you can read and you havea box of tools you are a tech now. Because the trouble shooting is in the book now adays. It's just that people are so lazy now. One shop wouldnt do my headgaskets on my truck because it was lifted 6 inches. They told me they would do it if I removed the lift and dropped it down to a stock level? I was blown away when they told me that. Then they wanted 100 bucks for the warranty charge for doing nothing.
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[OT]

P....what's happening with your truck? In shop or ?

[patrickrc51]

Yeah, The ole girl is in the Shop about 150 miles south of me... I feel all tore up when I go outside and don't see my truck man... I feel like I sent a kid off to school or something...

I'm waiting for a call in about an hour or 2. They said they should know the deal by today? I hope. If I hear anything negative about the warranty I think I'm going to go postal....
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[fusaichi pegasus]

Originally Posted by patrickrc51

You know what man, You hit the nail on the head. When I used to work in a Truck shop I seen everything and it would just piss me off when I saw another tech just start throwing parts at it instead of trying to actually fix it... I love my job and I get more satisfaction having a troubled truck come in and finding out EXACTLY what is wrong and fixing that problem. Not throughing parts at the general area until its fixed. Then the customer gets a fat bill and he wonders why.... I seen techs write up novel stories on the paperwork on what was wrong when what they are actually doing is just making a bunch of crap up and making it sound good so we would get paid...

I know that happens in dealers. I pulled my truck out of a shop one time because I was talking to the Tech and he just seemed dumb as all hell... These days if you can read and you havea box of tools you are a tech now. Because the trouble shooting is in the book now adays. It's just that people are so lazy now. One shop wouldnt do my headgaskets on my truck because it was lifted 6 inches. They told me they would do it if I removed the lift and dropped it down to a stock level? I was blown away when they told me that. Then they wanted 100 bucks for the warranty charge for doing nothing.
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Ironic, Isn't it? Anybody can become a Ford Diesel Tech because we can spend thousands of dollars on tools and, Oh yes, Read ! Yet you are having to take it to a shop to have it diagnoised. I am going to also take the liberty of speaking for every other Ford Diesel tech on this site in saying that doing ANY engine work on a truck with a 6" lift is no fun on the back to say the least. Most of us just suck it up and do our best to get you back on the road so you can continue your vacation or have your work truck back to make your living. Dont judge all of us based on a bad expirence you may have had. I can assure you that we have very strict guidelines on the diagnosing of any repair we may peform on your vechicle. Very few , If any of us, Would have a job if we just threw a hand grenade in a dark room to try and fix a problem. I am sure you take pride in taking care of your customers, So do I.

[patrickrc51]

Don't get me wrong fusaichi pegasus, My comment was not directed to YOU or the ford techs. It was a general comment to the industy today, and for the record I said the truck is 150 miles from home wich means away from tools, computer, and diag tools. I would be more than happy to get working on it to know what is wrong so I know whats the deal... I know working on a lifted truck sucks. I have one and I work on it more than most people do. I do so much work on it to make sure it never breaks down. (5k oil changes, 10k fuel filters, cleaning the engine completely so I know if it ever leaks oil,,,,) YES, I hate it but it is under warranty and I'm not asking someone to do something I wouldn't do. I used to work on 18 wheelers doing oil changes to overhauls, and that is like a monkey gym all the time. up, over under, same stuff you do. I am just making a general comment that there are allot of folks out there doing our job to a poor potential... Not pointing fingers... If your not that guy then you need not to get offended...
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P.S. Ford called and said they will know tomorrow.

[Toban]

I don't think Patrickrc51 meant every Ford Tech. Not every mechanic comes to work in a Ford dealership and is trained from the ground up in the Ford mechanic's school. They come in off the street and nobody knows how good they are until the complaints start to come in.

Having said that, I would like to put in a good word about a Ford tech at the dealership that services my truck. Just like Patrickrc51, this guy drills down into the problem until he comes up with the proper fix. Yeah, sometimes it costs me an extra amount for the labour, BUT I haven't had to come back a second time with him with my last two trucks. He's the only one that services my truck and what he says I believe.

I'm sure that you are just as conscientious as Patrickrc51 and as for myself, there wasn't any slight intended. I read pretty thoroughly through the posts and I do see a lot of repetitive visits that are suspect. I'm not posting to insult, it's just an observation and that's just my belief.

I've also taken a lot of valuable information from this forum from non-mechanics to others who claim to be genuine Ford techs and I've no reason to doubt their credibility (techs).

[patrickrc51]

Thanks Toban, I don't mean any disrespect to the geuine Techs out there. It's the other guys that give us the bad names...
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[patrickrc51]

So the Dealer FINALY called me back.
They found the oil leak to be the ICP Regulator.
So they replaced that guy and fired it up to find a bad injector.
They then replaced the injector and then found a cracked Crossover Tube?
I think I know what this is but can someone clear this up for me... Also, The tech said he is going to have to pull the Tranny out to fix this said Crossover Tube...
DAMN, Is that totally necessary to pull the tranny?
What an ordeal. At least they didn't just replace the ICP and put it on it's way. Seems like he is digging and thats ok with me...
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[Texascadillac42]

The crossover tube (I forget the other name for it) comes from the HPOP to the back of each head. It is necessary to remove the transmission to fix it because the crossover tubes are at the very back of the motor. So the transmission, flexplate/flywheel and rear gear train cover all have to come off to get to it.

This link gives you a rough idea of what the tubes look like and where they go..

2005 Update Page 04 Turbo High Pressure pump/Discharge tube-Oil Branch Tube-IPR Valve

[fusaichi pegasus]

Originally Posted by patrickrc51

So the Dealer FINALY called me back.
They found the oil leak to be the ICP Regulator.
So they replaced that guy and fired it up to find a bad injector.
They then replaced the injector and then found a cracked Crossover Tube?
I think I know what this is but can someone clear this up for me... Also, The tech said he is going to have to pull the Tranny out to fix this said Crossover Tube...
DAMN, Is that totally necessary to pull the tranny?
What an ordeal. At least they didn't just replace the ICP and put it on it's way. Seems like he is digging and thats ok with me...
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The tube you are speaking of is called the branch tube. It is secured to the infamous STC fitting which connects to the HP oil pump. The pressurized oil leaves the pump and runs thru the tube thru the rear of the eng. The oil then runs thru the stand pipes to the HP oil rails on to the injectors. They do not fail often and the replacment process is tedious and time consuming. Trans has to come out, rear engine cover has to be removed, The valve covers have to come off along with the HP oil rails. Then you must remove rocker arms on both sides of the motor to access the tiny torx bolts that secure the front of the pipe to the block. Its such a pain that after the first few I did, I just pull the entire motor to save time. Every tech is different and I am sure some do fine with the engine still in the chasis. I am confident all will work out well for you !

[patrickrc51]

DAMN......
Again, I wish the High Pressure Oil System would be replaced one day with the traditional cam/pushrod/rocker type of system.

I feel for you Techs that work these things on a regular. A job like R&R'ing those pipes is so nuts the interferance you have to remove to replace such a small thing...
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[patrickrc51]

The fitting on the bottom of the HPOP cracked.
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[turbodieselny]

well with all the hpop issues ford finally did away with that nightmare in the new 2011 scorpion v8diesel theres just high fuel pressure .some one should come out with a kit/fix that eliminates our hpop n just compresses our fuel to high pressure

[patrickrc51]

I think both the systems are junk...
I like the traditional cam driven injectors over all those other ideas...
Whats the big deal, just another 5 pounds maybe??
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