The 6.0 cant be that bad is it?

[rcm800]

I think that I am trading my F150 for a new F350 with a 6.0. I have owned Several 7.3 PS but had a weak moment and traded for a F150. I have looked at alot of used trucks but I think I have decided to get a new one.

I hear alot on here about how many people dont like the new motor. Is it really that bad or have some people been hit with bad trucks to sour them. I understand this completely. I am just wondering if I should just wait. I love the new transmission, but I really want to have a great truck. If the 6.0 is not that great than please give me your honest opinions. I really want to a new truck for a good period of time if it all works out for me.

Thanks

[Rob_S]

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... have some people been hit with bad trucks to sour them.

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I think that you have answered your own question.

Some have referred to the 6.0's a "snowflake" engines. No 2 are alike. That is probably about as good of a summary as you will find.

My personal opinion is that Ford permitted to great a tolerance on the electronic components (sensors, processors, actuators, etc.) which has caused many of the problems. If you get a matched set that work in harmony, everything is great. If you get a mismatched set... Well, that is like a bad marriage. You have your hands full & not get any peace.

Like most new consumor products these days: "You pays your money & takes your chances". Just my opinion. Rob

[outlawkodiak]

31,000+ Trouble free miles and love my truck. Wouldn't go back to gas, nor any other make of diesel truck, or 7.3 sorry guys.
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[bedwards]

I have found that the rep on web sites like this is MUCH worse than that out in the real world. I have several friends that have um and have had no major problems. I have had some minor problems that seem to be behind me for a year now. My 02 F150 had a bug or two also. They were no worse than my dad's "z71" or some of my coworkers "Yota" and Chevys. (don't have any Dodge friends)


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[LeeChristianson]

I've no problems (yet) with mine. Good buddy of mine has had no issues with his '03. The majority of them are ok but the ones that give grief seem to end up on this board..

Good luck with your new purchase.

[hidesert]

Have a tad over 12k on mine. Havn't had this much fun since I built a 400hp 390 for my first F250! The 6.0 performance is quite impressive and the 5spd torqueshift is awsome. Don't know about the handshakers but towing with the TS is effortless. This is one great truck.

[CaptSkup]

Please keep in mind how many SuperDuty Diesel powered trucks Ford produces in a given year. A small percentage of the people seek this site looking for answers/advice to problems that they have had with the trucks. Many like me enjoy reading and learning from others experiences. My truck has been a great truck, the best I have ever owned. Also a few of the problems people have had are a result of products added to increase the power above what the engineers set for this engine. Think about it, if even 10% of the trucks were troublesome and resulted in buybacks, would Ford continue to sell more than anybody else? More than double what Dodge sells.

[Coolhand]

CaptSkup et all,

I agree, all can have issues, just had a Dodge get bought back.. But I have 2 6.0L's in my family ++ 6 friends with 6.0L. 1 had sensor and flash issues on his 03, 1 had a tranny issue on his 04. Other than that - excellent service.

Look around at the number of service trucks/landscapers/dump bodies etc running 6.0L - lots.

My advice; buy a 05 - the engine upgrades will help reliability IMHO.

These trucks pulls our Gooseneck cattle hauler better than any other pickup I've driven, including from Hagerstown MD over I-68 / I-79 to Pittsburgh.

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[creeper]

It's junk.

No wonder Ford is changing it after a short run for an engine design.

How many other Ford engines only had a three year run? That should tell you what Ford thinks of their own engine.

[auken98]

Actually if you look historically the diesels that Ford has had are updated every few years. They started with the 6.9l and after a few yearss moved to the 7.3. After a few years of the 7.3l IDI they switched to a DI 7.3l in about 94.5 model year. This is known as the early PowerStroke.after a few more years things were revised for the 7.3l in the Super Duty's starting in 99. Then in 03 Ford switched to a completely new design, the 6.0l. The Ford diesels have evolved through the years. I wish I knew the years for the earlier runs. Don't forget, everyone of these engines had their pros and cons. Chris

[outlawkodiak]

From what I understand it's not a "new" engine just a worked over 6.0, there are many 6.0 people that are more than happy with their trucks. And if there weren't more satisfied than dissatisfied customers wouldn't one of the other manufacturers, say DOdGe be leading truck sales with their engine that's been around much longer. I think sales #s speak for themselves, you can bet when it's time to update my truck with a new one it will be another Powerstroke.

[Coolhand]

Creeper,

The 07 is a 6.4l, bored out 6.0 with twin turbos and more sensors etc to meet tougher emissions.

I can relate about junk, when a truck gets bought back, it is a PITA. Not fun, costs time and money, and then you don't get the use of the asset that you had planned.

All of em, from all 3 have their warts. I will take the Ford over the others..

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[jbdawson]

If you read enough of the posts here you will see that a great percentage of the problem 6.0s are 03,04 vintages. The '05 version seems to have fewer problems. I got 8.5 K so far and nary a hitch. On the other hand, a general diesel mechanic told me the other day that he would be wary of any new automotive diesels produced in the near future by any manufacturer for the purpose of meeting epa standards. He says the epa expectation is way out in front of currently available technology. Manufacturers need time to catch up. Remember the gassers of the '70s--whatta nightmare!

[teamroper60]

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It's junk.

No wonder Ford is changing it after a short run for an engine design.

How many other Ford engines only had a three year run? That should tell you what Ford thinks of their own engine.

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First of all, it's not junk. Maybe the one you had was, but the engine as a design is not. There are quite a few 6.0s running around with no problems of any kind (mine included). Your sour grapes are showing and it's wearing more than a little thin.

Secondly, in case you forgot, it isn't Ford's engine, they buy it from International. And it is working pretty well for IH as the VT365. The problems Ford is having with the 6.0 PSD have to do with QC in the sensors and things they are hanging on it. Until Ford starts to demand more stringent QC standards in the sensors they are buying, this engine could be a 7.3, a D-Max, or a Cummins and we would still be having these problems.

Third, as was mentioned before, Ford/IH diesels have gone through a bunch of changes over the years. The 6.9 IDI was bored out to a 7.3 IDI, which was turbocharged for a year or two. Then, an entirely new engine, the 7.3 DIT (Power Stroke) came out. That one lasted from 94.5 to 97, with a long run in 97. Beginning in 99, the 7.3 went through many more upgrades, which continued through 2003, when it was replaced with the 6.0. The coming 6.4 is just an enlarged version of the 6.0 with some new upgrades, the most notable of which are the change to HPCR and the vaunted twin turbos. If the basic design was as bad as you say, there would be no 6.4, it would be something all together different.

[dwelch1]

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