6.0L Power Stroke Engine and DrivetrainDiscussion of the 6.0L Power Stroke diesel engine and drivetrain in the 2003-Up Super-Duties and Excursions. No gas engine discussion allowed except on transmissions and drivetrain that pertain to all models. Please confine discussion of topics in this forum to those items that are specific to the 6.0L Power Stroke engine.
just interested if international has the same issues with the vt 365 engine as ford has with the 6.0.a friend drives delivery truck and they have 3 international vt 365 in their fleet and he says they have had very few problems with them.the fleet is also well maintained.does anyone have any knowledge on this just out of curriosity.
Ive heard its same engine but Ford took it and revamped it maxing out the engine on HP and TQ. Not sure what the differences are exactly but I know ford did some tweaking.
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VT365 has much less HG and cooling issues. I feel there are 3 huge reasons for this. First is the reduced power rating of the VT365, i think they are around 210-250 hp depending what you order. Second is training, im sure the people working at International were much better trained then Ford techs. 3 people with delivery trucks dont have SCT, BullyDog, Banks or any other tuner to bump power way above the HP the motor was designed for.
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05 f350 CC LB King Ranch. 6.0 stock with torqushift and 3.73 gears. This thing is SLOW
VT365 has much less HG and cooling issues. I feel there are 3 huge reasons for this. First is the reduced power rating of the VT365, i think they are around 210-250 hp depending what you order. Second is training, im sure the people working at International were much better trained then Ford techs. 3 people with delivery trucks dont have SCT, BullyDog, Banks or any other tuner to bump power way above the HP the motor was designed for.
100% correct, and Fords bump to 325HP might be a bit more then what it's engineered to handle, but Ford needed numbers for the horsepower race.
It would be interesting to see what you based that assumption on....
And I am sure you would be surprised to notice how many people on DTS have taken notice of that comment
You all have valid points guessing or not Lol... I can tell you first hand since I am a tech at a International dealership.The only common issues With the Ford version early on in this engines Inception were sticking turbos,STC fittings and Injector stiction issues.Headgasket failures are very much unheard of in a VT-365.I have only seen one case and the cause was from severely overheating the engine and running it with almost No coolant from a blown radiator hose.International has a thing that they call a Uptime proceedure.This is where they will have us do selected things if the tk or bus in question is eligable for a reflash.On the VT series we did Oil coolers,STC fittings (The First revison of this issue got the support bracket,any repeat failures to this date get the strait fitting and if necessary get the branch tube replaced.Plus we Installed coolant filters with a Oil cooler replacement.EGR coolers seem to be holding up well I have done a few but they have been high milage tks pushing the 6 digit range.Well maintained tks for example UPS vans that we see are over 150,000 before they have experieced any Injector failures.IMO In the Ford application with there power rateing its on the very edge of reliability and it shows in the comparison of problems between the two applications.I share alot of info with Ford Dealer techs and it is kinda supriseing compareing the engines issues between Ford and International.It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out the main reason for Fords Higher rate of problems.IMO ....Too much power for the engines design.The VT 365 in a normal fleet or school bus application HP rateing is 250 HP .They run them matted to the floor all day without constant headgasket problems. To those who chip this engine and crank it up some more.You are takeing a pretty Big risk and Inviteing trouble. As long as you are prepared to deal with it I guess it shouldnt matter to the Individual
It would be interesting to see what you based that assumption on....
And I am sure you would be surprised to notice how many people on DTS have taken notice of that comment
I worked at a school bus fleet shop. When the 6.0s first came out we tried to take the vans to the local Ford dealers and they would just throw parts at it and hope it was fixed. Got to the point they were keeping the vans so long and so many had issues we had to rent vans from local school districts to keep going. We started to take the vans to an international dealer to have them repaired out of pocket and was shocked at the difference. Just talking to the techs you could tell they actually were trained. Pick up a van at international and you would get a real answer as to what the problem was and how it was fixed, Ford was more of well we replaced this part and it seems fine. And since I have bought my 05 and it went into 3 different dealers for simple problems im still shocked as to how little some techs actually know about the 6.0.
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05 f350 CC LB King Ranch. 6.0 stock with torqushift and 3.73 gears. This thing is SLOW
It would be interesting to see what you based that assumption on....
And I am sure you would be surprised to notice how many people on DTS have taken notice of that comment
He said that,
Probably because its not a ford engine and the history us 6.0l owners[which you are not] going through the bullsh!t when the ford techs say "why did you bring your truck here its runs perfect, we cant replicate the problem you described because all we did was let it idle in our yard and theres no check engine light, so there isnt a problem, pay us for nothing".
When one is broken at International the techs dont blindly throw parts at any given truck at the customers expense hoping they win the 6.0l lottery like ford dealers[ ford tech: "gee maybe this will fix it, O wait I have to go to lunch"]. If ford fixed them, they would be out of a lot of service repair money in the future.
Any one thing that is wrong with these engines is thousands of dollars that most of us cant afford not to mention the outrageous tech per hour pay. Who makes that kind of money except lawers and or doctors? Thats the biggest ripoff in the history of mankind.
Ok GJ lets hear how perfect you are, besides the part where you were smart enough to not buy a 6.0l. I know you hate to share your vast knowledge of the 6.0l unless youre paid.
The problem I have with mine, that ford has absolutly no idea, not a prayer, cant even begin to fix it, international techs would find the problem and fix it the first time. Either way you pirates demand too much money.
Its almost 2010 and we cant make a diesel engine that doesnt self destruct or fix it so it wont? I should of kept my gasser. All 6.0ls are junk, its only a matter of time before they ALL cost their owners tremendous amonts of money to keep them running. Bring it!
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2004 F-250 Lariat late build 4X4 CC/LB auto,fully loaded with sunroof, power slider and backup sensors , white with 12" lift, flip steering, 38s on 17 10s, stock gears, superlift truspeed, fumoto, floating traction bars, airraid intake with elbow,4" turbo back, studded, powerslots, 55 watt HIDs 6000k heads and fogs,clear corners,7" NAV w/ back up camera, massive stereo, 2 12s behind back seat, amp research steps, sirius, '08 diff cover, redhead steering box,,coolant filter kit,hush panels and door seal mod,
He said that,
Probably because its not a ford engine and the history us 6.0l owners[which you are not] going through the bullsh!t when the ford techs say "why did you bring your truck here its runs perfect, we cant replicate the problem you described because all we did was let it idle in our yard and theres no check engine light, so there isnt a problem, pay us for nothing".
When one is broken at International the techs dont blindly throw parts at any given truck at the customers expense hoping they win the 6.0l lottery like ford dealers[ ford tech: "gee maybe this will fix it, O wait I have to go to lunch"]. If ford fixed them, they would be out of a lot of service repair money in the future.
Any one thing that is wrong with these engines is thousands of dollars that most of us cant afford not to mention the outrageous tech per hour pay. Who makes that kind of money except lawers and or doctors? Thats the biggest ripoff in the history of mankind.
Ok GJ lets hear how perfect you are, besides the part where you were smart enough to not buy a 6.0l. I know you hate to share your vast knowledge of the 6.0l unless youre paid.
The problem I have with mine, that ford has absolutly no idea, not a prayer, cant even begin to fix it, international techs would find the problem and fix it the first time. Either way you pirates demand too much money.
Its almost 2010 and we cant make a diesel engine that doesnt self destruct or fix it so it wont? I should of kept my gasser. All 6.0ls are junk, its only a matter of time before they ALL cost their owners tremendous amonts of money to keep them running. Bring it!
Not all of them are junk, there's a early 2003 out in the driveway with 120,000 on it that never left me stranded. Matter of fact it never stayed over night at a dealer either. Never had the EGR valve out, the only thing I ever replaced on it was a TFT sensor in the trans.
Not all of them are junk, there's a early 2003 out in the driveway with 120,000 on it that never left me stranded. Matter of fact it never stayed over night at a dealer either. Never had the EGR valve out, the only thing I ever replaced on it was a TFT sensor in the trans.
Good the early 03s were overbuilt compared to all the rest, my buddy has one, his has 29000 tho...but
I once thought as you did.
Youre lucky so far, but like I said its a matter of time until it breaks. All the typical things that plauge these trucks are gonna happen to yours all at once, or one after another like mine did costing me thousands of dollars. All my probs started at 78000, so I thought my truck was pretty cool until then, now 10000 bux later, and the problem I have now that no one can fix, I want out. These motors are money pits, and ford has a monopoly on fixing them, which they dont. If ford fixed them the way they should, they would be slitting their own throats. They know a certain part is bad or doesnt work, but they put the same crap bad part back in instead of fixing it or the problem that makes it break.
Have you read on here that the last flash "inductive" might be killing our ficm moudules prematurely? A flash ford created thats ruining parts on our truck. Expensive parts. And who do you think is gonna pay for a new ficm when the flash burns them out? Sounds like job security, rippoff
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2004 F-250 Lariat late build 4X4 CC/LB auto,fully loaded with sunroof, power slider and backup sensors , white with 12" lift, flip steering, 38s on 17 10s, stock gears, superlift truspeed, fumoto, floating traction bars, airraid intake with elbow,4" turbo back, studded, powerslots, 55 watt HIDs 6000k heads and fogs,clear corners,7" NAV w/ back up camera, massive stereo, 2 12s behind back seat, amp research steps, sirius, '08 diff cover, redhead steering box,,coolant filter kit,hush panels and door seal mod,
Good the early 03s were overbuilt compared to all the rest, my buddy has one, his has 29000 tho...but
I once thought as you did.
Youre lucky so far, but like I said its a matter of time until it breaks. All the typical things that plauge these trucks are gonna happen to yours all at once, or one after another like mine did costing me thousands of dollars. All my probs started at 78000, so I thought my truck was pretty cool until then, now 10000 bux later, and the problem I have now that no one can fix, I want out. These motors are money pits, and ford has a monopoly on fixing them, which they dont. If ford fixed them the way they should, they would be slitting their own throats. They know a certain part is bad or doesnt work, but they put the same crap bad part back in instead of fixing it or the problem that makes it break.
Have you read on here that the last flash "inductive" might be killing our ficm moudules prematurely? A flash ford created thats ruining parts on our truck. Expensive parts. And who do you think is gonna pay for a new ficm when the flash burns them out? Sounds like job security, rippoff
I was told by the tech when he replaced my FICM. that the inductive heat flash is what caused it to go out. And that ford knows about it causing these problems.
they are asking the FICM to do things it wasnt designed to do.
I was told by the tech when he replaced my FICM. that the inductive heat flash is what caused it to go out. And that ford knows about it causing these problems.
they are asking the FICM to do things it wasnt designed to do.
The new flash is easier on the FICM. At least that is what i was told.
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05 f350 CC LB King Ranch. 6.0 stock with torqushift and 3.73 gears. This thing is SLOW
[quote=dikkstarr;1788979]Good the early 03s were overbuilt compared to all the rest, my buddy has one, his has 29000 tho...but
I once thought as you did.
Youre lucky so far, but like I said its a matter of time until it breaks. All the typical things that plauge these trucks are gonna happen to yours all at once, or one after another like mine did costing me thousands of dollars. All my probs started at 78000, so I thought my truck was pretty cool until then, now 10000 bux later, and the problem I have now that no one can fix, I want out. These motors are money pits, and ford has a monopoly on fixing them, which they dont. If ford fixed them the way they should, they would be slitting their own throats. They know a certain part is bad or doesnt work, but they put the same crap bad part back in instead of fixing it or the problem that makes it break.
Have you read on here that the last flash "inductive" might be killing our ficm moudules prematurely? A flash ford created thats ruining parts on our truck. Expensive parts. And who do you think is gonna pay for a new ficm when the flash burns them out? Sounds like job security, rippoff[/quo
And I guess a lot has to do with how you drive and up keep your equipment, I have 3 diesel powered pieces of equipment, 1 1987 JD tractor 1 1989 Ford 7.3 diesel with 267,000 that pushed 1,000's of ton's of snow over the years and a 2003 Ford 6.0 that I bought new when I retired. Besides routine maintaince I have never had any problems with any of them. The 7.3 IDI I replaced injectors, glow plugs Gp controller and return lines in 20 years of use for a cost of around $500 The FICM on the 6.0 was flashed in Nov. of 2007 with the inductive heat flash and no problems yet, but I know there has been a rash of FICM failures recently. I now have 120,000 on the 03
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I know you hate to share your vast knowledge of the 6.0l unless youre paid.
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