Advice on blown motor, 6.0 '04 - Diesel Forum

InThEtHiCkEt · 03-08-2005, 11:57 PM

My friend has a '04 250 with 18,000, intake, exhaust and EDGE box on it. We had noticed previously that his truck was louder than other similar vehicles. This last week the truck started running rough and blowing some blue smoke. He had also mentioned to me he found water in the oil. The next day it started running very rough, then sputtering. He shut it down, grabbed a trailer and hauled it to the dealer. Upon arrival he started it and drove it off the trailer and parked it. When a tech started it later to pull in in the bay, the motor seized.

They brought in a Ford guy and when he saw the plugged bung for the EGT sensor, he voided the warranty on the motor and refused to look further to see what failed.

This guy is no hotrodder, and never turned it up past level 3.

Any advice on this situation would be greatly appreciated.

TIA

biginch · 03-09-2005, 12:03 AM

Sounds like he's going to be out $15k or so for a new engine.

nickwagner · 03-09-2005, 12:11 AM

one of my instructors at uti will sale him a rebuilt 6.0 for about 7k...half off, not bad...let me know if u need his #

InThEtHiCkEt · 03-09-2005, 12:25 AM

replace the motor on my truck when it let go. Is it common practice for service to deny warranty work?

BigCreek · 03-09-2005, 12:28 AM

On modified engines when it specifically says so in the owner's manual......yes.......

1Chavez · 03-09-2005, 12:30 AM

Diesel supplement says something to the tune of "an aftermarket chip/program will void engine warantee." I would venture to say he's SOL and jump on the $7K replacement while you can.
-Rich

biginch · 03-09-2005, 12:31 AM

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Is it common practice for service to deny warranty work?

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Only when the vehicle is modified in a way that causes the failure. Such as, an EDGE module.

Some cheaper repairs may slip by unnoticed, but an engine repair or replacement will be scrutinized every time.

InThEtHiCkEt · 03-09-2005, 01:13 AM

I will have to buy him some lube, poor bastard.

koolkat812 · 03-09-2005, 08:56 AM

There is a website... will get you the link later on where you can buy a complete new engine for 7k.

Thanks

InThEtHiCkEt · 03-09-2005, 11:35 AM

thanks man, looks like he is gonna need it.

Don't they have to prove that the EDGE was on there, and that IT, and not a malfunction, caused the failure?

rock_doctor · 03-09-2005, 12:02 PM

Only in a court of law. Which will cost your buddy more then the new engine. They can do almost what ever they want. On the other hand he should fight it but must know when to cut bait.

mark

InThEtHiCkEt · 03-09-2005, 12:08 PM

It makes no difference that THEY actually seized the motor? It had no box on it when it seized.

tincan · 03-09-2005, 12:41 PM

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thanks man, looks like he is gonna need it.

Don't they have to prove that the EDGE was on there, and that IT, and not a malfunction, caused the failure?

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The saying goes:
IF you play, You will pay. I quit playing sometime ago.
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Tincan

creeper · 03-09-2005, 01:46 PM

Why people would chip such a problem engine is beyond me.

Get an attorney, Ford will probably offer some sort of deal. Just tell them to prove it was chipped. Some dopey rep. is no expert.

rock_doctor · 03-09-2005, 03:21 PM

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It makes no difference that THEY actually seized the motor? It had no box on it when it seized.

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They can look at the data on the computer, compare the injector duration data and the turbo boost data, and can determine how much power the engine was producing. Unless you got a new computer and changed it out before you took it in they can just look at the data. In addition, the pistons are designed with a concave dish design that has a hardened centered to tolerate the heat on the aluminum piston face. Once the engine is disassembled, they look at the flame pattern on the piston head and in most cases when the engine is producing too much power it causes the flame pattern to extend outside of the dish. This is also a dead give away that the truck had a chip. Unfortunately, the 6.0 is a little fragile (IMHO), in the original trim it is only producing something like 200hp, Ford has jacked that up and by chipping it you are jacking it up even higher...

mark